Jukebox Wednesday – Big Time by Peter Gabriel

September 30, 2008

Hi There!

I’m on my way, I’m making it
I’ve got to make it show, yeah
So much larger than life
I’m going to watch it growing

The place where I come from is a small town
They think so small
They use small words
-but not me
I’m smarter than that
I worked it out
I’ve been stretching my mouth
To let those big words come right out

I’ve had enough, I’m getting out
To the city, the big big city
I’ll be a big noise with all the big boys
There’s so much stuff I will own
And I will pray to a big God
As I kneel in the big church

Big time
I’m on my way-I’m making it
Big time big time
I’ve got to make it show yeah
Big time big time
So much larger than life
Big time
I’m going to watch it growing
Big time

My parties all have big names
And I greet them with the widest smile
Tell them how my life is one big adventure
And always theyre amazed
When I show them round my house, to my bed
I had it made like a mountain range
With a snow-white pillow for my big fat head
And my heaven will be a big hell
And I will walk through the front door

Big time
I’m on my way-I’m making it
Big time big time
I’ve got to make it show-yeah
Big time big time
So much larger than life
I’m going to watch it growing
Big time big time
My car is getting bigger
Big time
My house is getting bigger
Big time
My eyes are getting bigger
Big time
And my mouth
Big time
My belly is getting bigger
Big time
And my bank account
Big time
Look at my circumstance
Big time
And the bulge in my big big big big big big big


LAZARUS AND THE RICH MAN

September 25, 2008

I printed this article off at the start of the year and did this with our bible study group. Everyone loved the work and effort put into this work by the writer Bryan T. Huie. I pray God continues to bless his studies of scripture and the Ancient World.

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/Lazarus-byHuie.htm

Remember that Telios is on this weekend! I unfortunately can’t make it but hope to hear how it went. I’ll give some of you guys a call to find out how it went. God bless.

Now enjoy reading the truth of this parable rather then believing the Pentecostal pettybloop-er.

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The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about “hell” within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Christ told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell. Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are fallacious and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what Christ was truly teaching.

Those who insist that this is not a parable, but a true, literal story Christ told to describe the condition of the lost in hell must overlook several facts to arrive at that conclusion. First, Yeshua the Messiah never accuses the rich man of any sin. He is simply portrayed as a wealthy man who lived the good life. Furthermore, Lazarus is never proclaimed to be a righteous man. He is just one who had the misfortune to be poor and unable to care for himself. If this story is literal, then the logical implication is that all the rich are destined to burn in hell, while all the homeless and destitute will be saved. Does anyone believe this to be the case?

If hell is truly as it is pictured in this story, then the saved will be able to view the lost who are burning there. Could anyone enjoy eternal existence if they were able to see lost friends, family, and acquaintances being incinerated in hell, yet never burning up? Additionally, if hell (as it is traditionally taught) is an abyss of fire and brimstone where sinners are tormented forever, does anyone really believe that one drop of water would relieve the pain and anguish of someone suffering in its flames?

These are just some of the difficulties we encounter when we try to make the account of Lazarus and the rich man literal, instead of realizing that it is a parable. If it is a true story, then all of the things Christ said must be factual. If all the points of the story are not literal, then we must view this tale as an analogy Jesus used to teach larger spiritual truths.

Most people think that the Messiah spoke in parables to make the meaning clearer for the uneducated people he was teaching. Reflecting this belief, an appendix to the NKJV says that “Jesus’ reputation as a great teacher spread far and wide. And no wonder. He taught in parables, simple stories, that made His lessons clear to all who were ready to learn” (“Man for All Times,” p. 1870). Yet Christ said his purpose for speaking to the people in parables was exactly the opposite of the explanation cited above.

MATTHEW 13:1 On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables . . . 10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?” 11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: ‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 for the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.’” (NKJV)

Continued…


More things sacred…

September 24, 2008

Someone on the radio (ABC 702) just told us that the trombone was once considered so sacred that it could not be played outside a church. This brings to mind the contrast with the guitar which was considered too evil to be played in church, at another time.

How many things are there that we see commonly held up as sacred in some fashion today, that will be regarded as an amusement in days to come?

Is there even really a clear cut division between secular and sacred if the earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it?

Are some parts of our lives – for instance the time we spend sitting in church – more sacred than other parts – for instance going to work?

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RavingPente


signPOSTS Surprise

September 23, 2008

Those that comment on signPOSTS02, I just got this cute e-mail.

The order was as follows: Lionfish, S&P, Teddy, Zeppelin, Heretic2, RavingPente, Lance, FaceLift, Wazza2, Greg The Explorer.

I like Lances and Greg’s. Me with purple hair?

Anyways. Felt it was apropriate to share.

Edit:

It took me five minutes to do these little profile pics for everyone.

Edit: Just got some of the new cartoon’s and av’s… watch this space.

I was told these were the names in this order:

DonkeyBoy, Lionfish, S&P, Teddy, Zeppelin, Heretic2, RavingPente, Lance, FaceLift, Wazza2, Greg The Explorer, RavingEvangelical, MN, MJ, XC3, Bull and Muppet.

They’ll have to resubmit the images again because I was told the image colours weren’t right when they were exported somehow.

Edit:

I’ll turn these into av’s soon.


Cleretical Orthodoxy

September 23, 2008

I am personally disgusted with this man’s delusions. He needs to read the bible before he teaches. Teddy found this article. Thanks Teddy.

The AGE Reports:

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New faith throws out the Ten Commandments

Cleric Francis Macnab of St Michael's Uniting Church on Collins Street, is hoping to start a new faith for the 21st century that moves away from an interventionist God.Cleric Francis Macnab of St Michael’s Uniting Church on Collins Street, is hoping to start a new faith for the 21st century that moves away from an interventionist God. Photo: John Woudstra

“THE TEN Commandments, one of the most negative documents ever written.” With that provocative claim posted high over two city streets, controversial cleric Francis Macnab yesterday launched “a new faith for the 21st century”, a faith beyond orthodox Christianity.

- Jesus ‘just a Jewish peasant’
- Cleric launches new faith
- Ten Commandments ‘too negative’

Dr Macnab says Abraham is probably a concoction, Moses was a mass murderer and Jesus Christ just a Jewish peasant who certainly was not God. In fact, there is no God, in the usual sense of an interventionist deity – what we strive for is a presence both within and beyond us.

Dr Macnab, a noted psychotherapist and executive minister at St Michael’s Uniting Church in the city, said the new faith was necessary because the old faith no longer worked.

“The old faith is in large sections unbelievable. We want to make the new faith more believable, realistic and helpful in terms of the way people live,” he said.

St Michael’s is promoting the new faith with a $120,000 campaign over several months, involving newspaper and radio advertising, the internet, banners and billboards. Dr Macnab is being advised by Barry Whalen, who was the media guru for Cardinal George Pell when he was Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne.

According to Dr Macnab, the new faith transcends denominations and religions. It is about searching, not dogma. It seeks the good, the tender and the beautiful, and finds it in Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism.

“At the Jesus Seminar (a scholarly but sceptical international enterprise examining the statements attributed to Jesus, of which Dr Macnab is a member), we are inclined to think there was a real Jesus but we don’t know much about him. The record has been embellished a great deal along the way. He gives glimpses of something beyond him, and that’s the most powerful aspect of what he was doing.” Continued…


Slamming the Dunk – To Baptise or Not To Baptise?

September 23, 2008

Baptism

From the thread Special Offer For All Readers Of Signposts02, came the discussion on water baptism. Rather then derail that thread, please discuss here your hermeneutics on Christening/Baptism.

I will be deleting the comments from the thread that was de-railed in a weeks time so that people can continue to comment about the topic. So feel free to post what you have previously said there into this topic so that we can pick up where we left off. I’m hoping to add to this section very soon my views so that everyone can equally rip into me with my views. (I taste like chicken)

Some will surely disagree with me with my views on baptism. I talked about this last week. So Ill be posting up tonight my views on baptism. Enjoy discussing.


All Things Spiritual- For All To Consider…

September 18, 2008

LAND IS SACRED

2 Kings 5:15-18 Then Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God. He stood before him and said, “Now I know that there is no God in all the world except in Israel. Please accept now a gift from your servant.”
The prophet answered, “As surely as the LORD lives, whom I serve, I will not accept a thing.” And even though Naaman urged him, he refused.
“If you will not,” said Naaman, “please let me, your servant, be given as much earth as a pair of mules can carry, for your servant will never again make burnt offerings and sacrifices to any other god but the LORD.

But may the LORD forgive your servant for this one thing: When my master enters the temple of Rimmon to bow down and he is leaning on my arm and I bow there also—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the LORD forgive your servant for this.”

Wherever we dwell, God is with us. What’s His is ours and what’s ours is His. Through us, He cleanses the land and makes places sacred. Our lives our sacred and holy to Him. And wherever we go, he wants us to bring Him into the land so that he can cleanse, heal and restore it so that he can speak to others through it. This is what clearly happened to Naaman. Through God’s creation/land, He was healed and convicted by the God of Israel. As a result, Naaman wanted to bring the grounds of Israel back to his homeland.

2 Kings 17:24-28
The king of Assyria brought people from Babylon, Cuthah, Avva, Hamath and Sepharvaim and settled them in the towns of Samaria to replace the Israelites. They took over Samaria and lived in its towns. When they first lived there, they did not worship the LORD; so he sent lions among them and they killed some of the people. It was reported to the king of Assyria:

“The people you deported and resettled in the towns of Samaria do not know what the god of that country requires. He has sent lions among them, which are killing them off, because the people do not know what he requires.”

Then the king of Assyria gave this order: “Have one of the priests you took captive from Samaria go back to live there and teach the people what the god of the land requires.” So one of the priests who had been exiled from Samaria came to live in Bethel and taught them how to worship the LORD.

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LIFE IS SACRED

We so easily forget that our God is a ‘God of the Land’. Through His creation He can speak to us or judge us. God will use the land or animals for His purposes to speak to anyone. As Christians (priests), we should be Christ-like and respect God and his creation so that we can appreciate Him in His fullness.

We too often forget that it is the land that needs to be cleansed from territorial spirits. Our actions can invite unclean spirits into our homes. But if we focus on our Lord God Jesus Christ, He can cleanse our households, our lands, our communities, etc. from spiritual decay and sickness.

There is some spooky connection with our actions and how that can invite unclean spirits. When we are accountable, responsible or conduct ourselves appropriately, it is amazing how much creation reflects our choice of action or what spiritual entities we invite. It mirrors our condition.

I’ve come to such a conclusion because of what I’ve seen and been confronted with throughout different church ministries. Similar spirits dwell with churches that seek unhealthy things. As much as they are prayed against, they are invited each week because of the saints actions or unhealthy desires.

What do you invite with your actions or thoughts? What do you consider to be sacred? Have you ever considered that God wants you to pray cleansing over your family? House? Work place etc.?

How often are your thoughts on Him or His Spirit when enjoying life or feeling bothered? How sacred do you consider your life with God being in union with Him through the Holy Spirit in everyday living?

Consider the speck. Consider the plank.

S&P


Quit Mocking The King!

September 18, 2008

This is something that I found incredibly cool and enlightening. Another pente-blooper preached badly for too long. This excerpt is taken from Planet Preterist’s ‘Otherworld Journey: The Origins of Hell in Christian Thought’.

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Equally divergent from biblical Sheol is the epic of the mythical king of Uruk, Gilgamesh. The version presented here, compiled around one-thousand B.C., was discovered in the library of Ashurbanipal in Nineveh; although fragments dating back to the second millennium B.C. are extant.

This tale gives a detailed account of the world beyond. Gilgamesh’s companion Enkidu relates his vision of the underworld and its inhabitants, a premonition of his own death:

There is a house whose peoples sit in darkness; dust is their food and clay their meat. They are clothed like birds with wings for covering, they see no light, they sit in darkness. I entered the house of dust and I saw the kings of the earth, their crowns put away for ever; rulers and princes, all those who once wore kingly crowns and ruled the world in days of old. They who had stood in the place of the gods like Anu and Enlil, stood now like servants to fetch baked meats in the house of dust, to carry cooked meat and cold water from the water-skin.

Enkidu eventually met this fate. But Gilgamesh refused to bury his companion and instead lamented over his body for seven days and seven nights hoping that Enkidu would rise again. “Finally, after watching his body with pious devotion, he notices a worm on the corpse and realizes that death takes its victims beyond recall. The awful reality of death fills Gilgamesh with fear for, since he is not completely divine, he too must die. Hence he becomes obsessed with the drive to obtain immortality.”

The Hebrews rejected such otherworld notions—or at least did not record them as their own. In light of that statement, there is one biblical text that should be mentioned at this point.

Isaiah 14 contains the most explicit details of Sheol in the Old Testament—but is it really Sheol? Yahweh’s prophet Isaiah was told to “taunt the king of Babylon” (Is 14.4), and, it would seem, he did so using Babylonian otherworld concepts.

Sheol below is stirred up about you, ready to meet you when you arrive. It rouses the spirits of the dead for you, all the former leaders of the earth; it makes all the former kings of the nations rise from their thrones. All of them respond to you, saying: ‘You too have become weak like us! You have become just like us! Your splendor has been brought down to Sheol, as well as the sound of your stringed instruments. You lie on a bed of maggots, with a blanket of worms over you. (Net, Is. 14.9-11)

As in Gilgamesh, the kings of the earth have been made low; it is a reversal of fortunes. The Babylonian king was no more immortal than Gilgamesh, and he too would be food for worms. It would be a mistake to read the above as Isaiah’s view of underworld. Isaiah’s taunt no more reflects his infernology than the subsequent section reflects his ouranology. Read the former in light of the latter; these verses are contrasting Babylonian otherworld motifs:

Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations! You said to yourself, “I will climb up to the sky. Above the stars of El I will set up my throne. I will rule on the mountain of assembly on the remote slopes of Zaphon. I will climb up to the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High!” But you were brought down to Sheol, to the remote slopes of the pit. (NET, Is. 14.12-15)

A little mythology is helpful here. In Ugaritic texts, Mount Zaphon is the equivalent of the Greek Mount Olympus; it was home of the gods. What is Isaiah saying? The would be god-king of Babylon desired to set himself on the sacred mountain, above the astral deities—on par with the “Most High,” which in this context refers to the god El. Yet Isaiah insists that the arrogant king would be brought low, like his predecessors of old. Even Turner, whose work betrays an affinity for parallelomania, makes an insightful observation with reference to Isaiah 14: “Its message is exactly the same as the one Enkidu reported to Gilgamesh, that great kings are brought low in Ereshkigal’s [underworld] domain. Indeed, in sending the Babylonian king to a Babylonian Hell, the prophet appears to be making a grim joke.” We are inclined to agree. After all, the prophet was instructed to “taunt the king of Babylon.” “This song uses the metric pattern of a dirge but parodies the genre by mocking rather than eulogizing the dead.” It is unwise to build an “underworld” doctrine around parody. Isaiah, like Elijah among the prophets of Baal, was being cheeky.

http://planetpreterist.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=5503

The entire article is an insightful read. I encourage you to read it. To find out what we’ve previously discussed on sheol on these forums click the link to ‘Should Hell be dropped from the Bible?


A BOLD, New, Iniative Vision from Adelaide APC’s Church

September 17, 2008

Some church pastors are just stupid. This is just as dumb (or hilarious) as Sarah Palin’s Pente-Blooper- politics and religion do not at all mix. Stupid people say stupid things. I found this youtube vision-advert hilariously painful in the most stereotypical way possible (1:48). Enjoy groaning and wincing over some of the stupid things in this video. Over to Lance:

The Australian political party Family First has been at pains over the years to distance itself from its church roots.

Party members have repeatedly denied direct links between the Assemblies of God group sects church and Family First.

Here, clearly and unambiguously, Adelaide Paradise Community Church Senior Pastor Ashley Evans claims the credit for Family First being an initiative of his church.

Evans refers to Family First at 45 second mark of video.


A Self-Serving, Self-Righteous Post About Brian’s Blog

September 17, 2008

Thank Lance. I just wanted to post this up so that I could change the SignPost02 motto. Oh and of course talk about Brian’s comments…

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I didnt do it... yet...

Brian Houston blogs…

“I have been away overseas while a drama has unfolded in Australia about Michael Guglielmucci… writer of the song ‘Healer’, which has blessed and encouraged so many people.

Michael has confessed to making up the story that he was diagnosed with a rare form of terminal blood cancer and multiple secondary cancers.

This is easily the biggest and most elaborate hoax I have ever personally witnessed. I still am perplexed by it.

I have never felt any reason to question the validity of Michael’s story. I guess you don’t greet such horrific news as cancer with cynicism, and it’s a sad day when we have to do that.

I have known Michael’s parents since we were young people ourselves and they are great and genuine people. When Danny called me in 2006 to tell me of his sons illness I felt absolutely lost for words as he sobbed on the telephone. This family did not deserve such utter pain.

I just didn’t have any reason to doubt his story. There were one or two things that were hard to work out such as how anyone could function with multiple broken bones (I was in agony with one broken elbow, but I just thought I must have been a wimp.)

I saw Michael as an unbelievably gutsy and courageous man who was refusing to just lie down and accept his diagnosis.

I can only ever remember spending any significant length of time with Michael once. Apart from that it was short conversations here and there, and mostly I would hear how he was doing from his dad or from others. If I did get to say hi, I would ask him how he was and he would tell me where he was up to… but after a service one Saturday night when Michael was supposedly in Sydney for “specialized treatment,” I  arranged to meet my son Joel outside a tiny apartment in the cities inner west. This is where Michael and his wife were staying. Joel had already been there for a few hours hanging out with Michael, as were one or two others. Michael was apparently in immense pain that night, as the pain killing medication he was taking was wearing off well before the four hours the doctors had instructed it should be, before he take any more.

When I went inside, Michael was sitting on the floor and had… I think… an hour and a half to go before he could take that next dose. The pain was obviously becoming more and more intense as he shook and groaned with sweat-beads clearly breaking out across his brow. Those around him began to gently pray and do what they could to keep him comfortable while Michael himself turned on a recording of his song Healer which he had made in his own bedroom a year or two before.

As the discomfort seemed to be getting worse and worse, I placed my hand on Michael’s head and prayed for healing with all the faith I could muster, whilst inwardly feeling helpless to do anything else but trust God for the miracle that this young man claimed to be SO diligently pursuing.

Eventually Michael could take no more of the pain and said that he was ringing his doctor, which he proceeded to do. (I don’t even know now whether anyone was on the other end of the line or what the pills actually were…but there was nothing to make me doubt it then).

The “doctor” told Michael it would be okay to take another half-dose and that’s what he did. Soon the pain eased again and things became much calmer, though he certainly still looked and acted very sick. A few other friends of Michael’s arrived, pizza was ordered and after about 45 minutes I said my
goodbyes and left.

I drove away that night feeling an overwhelming heaviness for Michael, his wife and his family. I also felt a real sense of pride as I watched those young people rallying around him as indeed they have done all over Australia and in other parts of the world.

That night was the closest I got to seeing first-hand what others witnessed many times. His friends saw him coughing up blood and were there when vomit had to be cleaned up. At other times they dropped him off at the hospital, picking him up hours later as he insisted that he did not want them to come in. There had been a time prior to this, I am told, when Michael’s hair was even falling out in clumps as a result of the “chemotherapy.”

So now we all know that so much of this was not real… but was I personally sucked in?
Yep,100%!!!

It was a two year academy award worthy performance as far as I am concerned.

I never met one person including any doctor, who expressed doubt about Michael’s claims during the two years of this very public farce (or in fact, in the years before that.)

It is amazing how quick some are to comment now… but I guess that is just human nature, as is the premature way in which some lay blame, post blogs or comment in a self serving and self righteous way.

But with Michael’s short confession now readily available, can I say to anyone who doesn’t understand why someone would do so much to hurt and betray so many, that it all makes no sense to me either.

But will it affect my faith in Christ, the power of His Word, and the truth about His heart to save, heal and transform the lives of people?
Absolutely not.

Will it discourage me from believing in people, and desiring to see them flourish? Or will it stop me from giving people opportunities in the future?
No way.

Do I believe the result of this will be catastrophic for the cause of Christ
in our nation?
Definitely Not. I believe that quite the opposite can be true.

Should it cause us all to ‘look honestly at ourselves and endeavour not to
let anything like this happen again?
Yes it should.

Do I feel an empathy with anyone who is feeling angry, confused or betrayed?
Yes I do.

Ultimately only one person really knows what was going on in Michael Guglielmucci’s heart and head… and that is Michael himself.

The scriptures say,
Galatians 6:1 – “Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently but watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.”

This is a very sad situation but I pray it will spur you to be even more committed to ‘fighting the good fight of faith’ and leading an over comers life.

To live a lifetime in the service of Christ, you will have to make a decision that NO disappointment with an individual or with people generally, can sway you away from that course.

I pray for every person who has been hurt or confused by Michael and I challenge you to… “Having done all, still stand”.

Remember, there are many, many genuine people out there serving God faithfully, and setting an example of faithfulness and tenacity.”

From http://www.leadershipministries.com.au/pages/default.asp?pid=2486