News Update – Second Coming Sighting

Just to add to the goings on right now, another article in the Herald details the second coming of Jesus (well, he claims to be), this time in Siberia. Thought some of you might be interested.

(Just browsing the paper while stuck in a phone queue – sigh!)

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RavingPente

What is the Church Equivalent of this?

An article in the Sydney Morning Herald today looked at the latest celebrity craze for charm bracelets that bring ‘good luck’ – apparently you have to think positively for them to work.

Superstition is rampant – a positive frame of mind is no doubt helpful in most things, but magical power in a bracelet? We wouldn’t do anything so silly in the church, would we?

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RavingPente

Is the Corporate Church fading in the Internet Age?

Muppet has raised an interesting question, particularly for those of us who include a blogging community and teaching available over the internet as part of our Christian lives.

Muppet commented:

“But instead sold a product that is most advantageous to the advisor” [-RP, earlier, commenting on moral hazard]

This has been the basis of business for the last few decades. We package a product, and market it, convincing the consumer of their need for it.

The game is now changed. Consumers are more educated and aware. They have access to a wide range of information. It’s no good coming up with a product like Coco Pops and spending loads of money to convince me that it is what I need. I want a particular blend of oats and fruit that is particular to my dietry needs. I have the ability now to access exactly what I need. It’s irrelevent how clever the TV advert for Coco Pops is – I wont buy them.

Marketing Jesus and selling the Gospel as a product will become less effective. What do we do now? How do we recognise what God is doing in an individuals life, and how do we help them move towards Him even if we can’t relate to their individual experience of Him?

Megachurches (and others) have been set up in recent decades along a corporate business model, with modern marketing methods. Even to the point of replacing elders with board members. They market the Gospel as their product, and we become the sales agents, in some churches even to the point of being encouraged to conform to an image that is attractive to non-members. Seeker sensitive methods drive marketing appeal.

Will these methods become less effective as consumers are faced with infinite information and choice over the internet? Some churches have moved their model to the internet, encouraging those who regard them as their home church, to tithe to them. Can churches still convince people that they have what people need, distinct from other churches, when as Muppet says, the consumer can now go out and find exactly the teaching that caters to their need?

We’ve all probably heard church pastors warning people of the dangers of blogging! Are they perceiving this potential for shift?

Does the consumer risk just satisfying their desire for whatever agrees with their viewpoint – it will be somewhere on the internet? Or does the megachurch preacher face the dilemma of aware consumers, who know that there is a world outside the limits of the menu on offer in the building, and can disagree and be educated beyond the boundaries of what is preached on a Sunday? Has the corporate model for the megachurch with all its hierarchies been effectively superseded by the flatness and spread of the internet – and if so, what is emerging in its place?

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RavingPente

Feisty Ford Go’s On Giggling

Volcanic Eruption of Firey Smokey Love & Drinking Beer in Church!, also why Matt walked out on a preach!

Volcanic Eruption of Firey Smokey Love
& Drinking Beer in Church and why Matt walked out mid-preach!

There is a massive level of excitement building up in the Spirit. It is as if a massive volcanic torrent of Jesus is about to go off and light up the sky with molten liquid love and plumes of His Glory. As with any volcanic activity there is an incredible amount of heat produced, enough to melt the flesh right off ya bones. That is exactly what Holy Spirit is doing this hour… melting away the flesh nature with the liquid love (the new wine) of His presence. The heat can be uncomfortable, but in yielding to it, you will actually become who He created you to be. Why settle for anything less. It is no longer about us, it has never been about us, we don’t own ourselves. We are love slaves of righteousness.

I am continually amazed at the state of the church, and not the good sort of amazement. Where has the hunger and passion gone? Not a hunger for conferences or your favourite conference speaker, but for the dude that made you. There is some sort of “conference” just about on every block, yet the revelation of Love, His love for us, is not getting through. Would the drunken army of radical, un-compromising Jesus lovers please stand up and SHOUT to the Heavens. Let the Wine of His Spirit flow!

Recently I walked out of my own church mid-preach. I was in a really sweet trance and was having a total blast teaching from inside that state. At which point I was seeing into the hearts and minds and lives of the congregation. Freaky stuff. Scary stuff. Not the sort of stuff ya wanna see when you are preaching about ecstatic experiences, trances and holiness. I was taken back by the lack of hunger and the amount of self pride which was manifesting in some people. My spirit man was incredibly grieved and up-set by the condition of the hearts. People who had been in churches for many years, carrying critical and judgemental attitudes in their hearts to the point that these “attitudes” control their lives.

When I minister in the glory, Holy Spirit enables me to hear peoples thoughts. Which can at times be a freaky thing, but it enables me to “target” my message at those people by speaking life into their thought patterns and totally freaking them out when I tell them what they are thinking. God knows everything… everything. He wants us to change from glory to glory to glory to glory… We need His mind, on every situation and circumstance in our lives.

When Holy Spirit is operating in “renewal” mode and there are bodies hitting the floor and howling left right and centre I truly love it. But when Holy Spirit is moving softly on hearts and is teaching His people, is it too much to ask for a little respect, to shut your kids up and stop them from running and squealing around the building? Where has the respect gone? For God and others. Lack of discipline is gross and does no one any favours at all. We can justify anything and make excuses for everything, but in the end we need people to change, and sometimes a rebuke from Heaven is what is needed. I said nothing when I left, I just put the mic down and walked out. The glory cloud followed me and that “scared” a few people, causing “fear”. Not scared that I walked out, but that God followed me. I had great fun trying to drive home whacked We can play the grace card for ever, but it’s about time the church grew up and acted it’s age.

Since this happened I have been called and labelled everything under the sun, and most of it not too nice Surprisingly, people who weren’t even in the meeting and some who have never been to one of my meetings seem very opinionated about my action. Labelling me un-pastoral and un-caring. It’s true, I am not a pastor, I am an apostle… I kick butt, break ground and bring things into line that need to be. That in it’s self is caring, if I did not care then I would sit back and let apathy rule my church and I would not bring any correction and would allow people to wallow further in their own self pity and flesh indulgent life style of carnal living.

I made a decision. Do I worry about what “man” will think and say, and how they will “interpret” my actions through their own broken and tainted lenses, or do I do what I see my Father doing. Many have said I made a “wrong” choice and that the voice I heard was my own “little boy” needing attention and that I need to apologise for causing “offence”. My “little boy” is just fine thanks, he does not need or require attention to make himself feel good. I will preach to 1 or 10000000, It really doesn’t worry me at all, as long as He is with me.

I will NEVER apologise to a demonic spirit that I upset, and I will NEVER apologise for obeying my Father. I will NOT tolerate SIN in my church family, on any level. There has been far too much compromise in the Kingdom and it has to stop. People that live in and love sin are already offended at everything and everyone, I did not cause them any offence, I upset the demons in them by not “submitting” to them, there is a big difference. What is on the pastor will be on the sheep. It is easy in Australia to tell what church people go to, by what is on them. Stan my intern, is growing in discernment and recently said to me in a meeting “they are from X church”. I laughed and said “how can ya tell”. “They have the same devils as their pastor”. LOL Go Stan Go.

It has been advises to me that I remain “sober” so that I can preach, teach and finish a sermon, and then get drunk at the end of the meeting. Urm.. NO WAY! A religious spirit will always tell you to tone it down and not get too drunk. Which bit of “be filled” don’t people understand? I live a lifestyle of intimacy and intoxication and I am not coming out of Heaven for anyone.

I am not perfect, just ask my parents. I make mistakes, but not this time. I stood up to a demonic principality and we, as a ministry and also individually took some major hits from it over the past 5-6 weeks. The critter I am talking about is Leviathan. Teaching on this beast is available for free on our web site. This is not your little garden variety demon, it is a demonic principality. In order to take it out you need to walk and live in humility. I humbled my self before God and walked out in front of man, because I was not going to allow the glory which He was releasing to be abused and dis-honoured. You respect a King when they turn up. I never want my church to take the presence and the glory of the Lord for granted. Yes we can and do have a total drunken fun time in it, that is because we respect Him and Who He is. He is our Daddy and He loves to play with His kids.

I have been asking people this question. “You are upset that I walked out, but what has God said to you about it, what is His take on it?”

EVERY response has been… “But God is love and He wouldn’t just walk out of a meeting”.

Urmm, yeah, read ya Bible people. Holy Spirit announces His arrival, but not His departure.

No one has actually asked the Father what He thinks about it all

While about 70% of my church has left, the remaining 30% stand with me on this. It was a really God / good way of thinning out the heard. I now have people who want the Glory, not for them selves but to give it away. A people who are committed to His presence and protecting His anointing at all cost. Even to reputation and relationships. I will never pander to peoples strongholds, but I will release them if they want it. Another sign which has been great is that the offering has not lowered, in fact it has increased If you aren’t sowing into a church or ministry, then you really have NO legal right to judge it or speak against it.

The fruit of my actions has been so amazing. The atmosphere is clean and the expectancy has gone through the roof. This Sunday 23rd August we opened up the church for a “Love Feast” where we catered a meal for the community. The last 6 weeks of hell has been so worth it for the people that came on Sunday and the major encounters they had with their Daddy. We kicked the “seeker sensitive” devil in the crotch and we didn’t hold back at all from releasing the glory of Heaven. And guess what? No one left or got too freaked out But they ALL got so blessed.

Jesus touched people in a way that they had been dreaming of for ages. They had a real power encounter with their maker. Gladly exchanging their sin for His righteousness in one transaction. They are all coming back on Tuesday for the Mystic Glory School, they can’t wait to get back into the glory. This is what we are about, seeing lives transformed by Jesus in an instant. He is so precious.

This brings me to one of my pet peeve’s. Pente-Time. This is so silly and basic that I can’t believe I have to address it. When a church starts at 9am or 4pm or what ever time, you DO NOT turn up 30-90 minutes into it, unless your hiding your sin from God… but He knows any-ways. I understant that “things” happen sometimes, but every week, come on.

It is so disrespectful not only to the preacher who has spent 20-40 hours a week in prayer and preparation for you and the meeting, but also to God. I am amazed at how rude the pente and charo’s can be. We seem to place our selves on a higher level than the non-spirit filled, but hey, they get to church before it starts and they discipline their kids. This is not being “religious” , it is simply placing some Godly boundaries in place so that the Lord can actually deal with the crap in your lives. Hoooo, there’s some sauce on that! When we get into multiple meetings on a Sunday, being on time will be vital. Is turning up to work late each day being non-religious?

Onto drinking beer at church. Yes we had people drinking beer at our community meal on Sunday. It was great to see hungry people in the sanctuary, in God’s tangible presence, drinking beer. And guess what? God’s glory didn’t lift for a second. When we invite “the world” into our churches it isn’t going to be all cordial and decaf coffee.

They had a great time, and they were not drunk. One guy got “light headed” and felt great from drinking our punch. We didn’t have punch, it was orange juice that the Holy Ghost had filled up with some heavenly wine, LOL was so funny to this guy heading back for more.

When he got prayed for he got filled with the Holy Spirit and felt “electricity” all over Him. Was so sweet to watch.

The only problem we had with beer in the Barrel was some religious nut from another church “quoting scripture” about drinking beer. Oh dear, a religious spirit quoting a scripture that doesn’t even exist. This caused some offence to the young lady who I had said was more than welcome to drink beer. She refuses to come back while that person is there, and I don’t blame her at all. It is going to be messy when people get saved, is the church ready for the world?

Now don’t mix up my first comments with this one. There is grace and a lot of it, for new converts and old. But after years in church and a lifestyle of church hopping, a standard needs to be raised and things need to be addressed. Capish! That was a love capish

A young lady who got really whacked by God and set free was telling me how she wanted to give up her really bad life and go full on for Jesus in every way, and I believe she will. She has tasted the freedom and the joy and the love and she wants it without measure.

This is the last time I will address the issue of me walking out, I have wasted enough time talking to devils about it.

I am aware of the websites out there that are run by demonically influenced and controlled people, that are slandering us all over the world. This does not worry me at all, nor does it bother me. Free advertising I say I will not get into conversation with them, nor will I debate their silly doctrines. Everyone interprets scripture a bit differently, we all need to learn to tolerate each other, after all, we may end up spending eternity together. (I know they monitor my facebook Hello)

While this was written primarily for my congregation, I wanted to publish it to not only bring to light some things and break it’s power, but to also challenge those who label people, without even meeting them.

Believe the best in people and seek the truth, no matter what others may say about someone. Ask God what He thinks of them. I dare ya!

Standing with my feet firmly planted in Heaven.

Matt Ford.
Fire It Up Int’l Ministries.
www.fireitup.com.au

What is the ‘Emergent’ movement?

This is an introductory post so that we can move onto the subject of the Emergent movement, as Bull has requested.  The purpose of this post is for people like myself (maybe only me?) to understand what the distinguishing theology or practices of the Emergent movement are, if there are distinguishing features.

The ‘Emergent’ movement should be distinguished from the term ‘Emerging church’, because the term ‘Emerging’ covers a variety of exploration of new forms of church.  Even blogs like this one can be said to be an emerging form of church, but are not necessarily Emergent.

[Note: I've just been informed by Greg the Explorerthat "Anyone who claims that there are two distinct groups called emerging and emergent is off on the wrong foot to begin with."  So there you go.  Perhaps we can explore that here.]

Teddy contributed a video of Mark Driscoll usefully explaining the difference:

[NOTE: I've also just been informed by Greg the Explorer that "posting a video with Mark Driscoll trying to explain the emerging church is like getting Lance to post a video explaining Hillsong." - so maybe bear that in mind.]

So can anyone list or sum up the particular theology or practices that distinguish the ‘Emergent’ movement?  The main thing I learnt from Driscoll is that they are ‘liberal’ – but in what way?

Then perhaps we can use this thread to pinpoint the individual features that people want to debate.

Thanks everyone!

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RavingPente

Jesus Spiked Ford’s Juice! Wooooaahhh!!!

Oh Gosh! Be shocked and amused by more absurdities of Matt Ford’s Ministries! The point?

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Sydney 27-31, Psychic Fair 29th.. free spiritual readings
Matt Ford

Our first love feast.. report

Dear Partner’s and Friends,

WOW, is about all I can say about our first Love Feast Celebration.  It was crazy, and for me to say that, it must have been really crazy    I was totally off my chops in the glory, it would have to be one of the funniest “preaches” ever.  Jesus really knows how to throw a party.  The atmosphere was charged with joy unspeakable.

We had a drink container full of tropical orange juice, which Jesus spiked and got an aboriginal dude whacked in the glory   He kept coming back for more.

We had two people give their lives back to Jesus and they got really whacked by His amazing limitless love.

These love feats will be a regular part of the Wine Barrel.

The clip below is a young lady who hadn’t been to church in ages. She gets totally blasted by Holy Spirit and He takes her into the third heaven, yeah God!

A big thankyou to everyone that helped out at the Love Feast. Lorraine, you did a fantastic job, and that spag bol was amazing.

Weekly Sydney Meetings

We have been hearing some awesome reports and testimonies from the weekly Sydney meetings at Franc and Karen’s home at Newport.  A group who gather together for one reason… Jesus.

There has been great healings, deliverances as well as financial blessings released from Heaven. Yeah God.  Franc and Karen are lovely people and you would be more than welcome to come along and check it out.

Matt is in Sydney from 27-31 August for five nights of meetings, details are at http://fireitup.com.au/cms/index.php/sydney

Psychic Fair Sat 29th Aug.

Join Levin, Stan and a group of drunken Jesus lovers as they hit the streets this coming Saturday at the local Psychic Fair.  Get out onto the streets and unleash Holy Spirit in a wave of love and prophetic revelations for people.  Free healings and free spiritual readings.

This coincides with the Love Conference, which is hosted by Levin, details are on the web.

Office closed this week.

With Matt in Sydney and Stan in Adelaide we have closed the office for this week.

Air-conditioning

With summer belting on the door, we discovered on Sunday just how hot it can get at the Wine Barrel.  It is a very old building with no insulation.  Crikey!  We are on the prowl for some air-conditioners.  Either split system units or the old fashioned ones that we can mount in the windows or walls.  If you have any or would like to sow into the ministry, that would be lovely!

On-line teaching articles

We have added a new section to our website… Teaching. Here you can download and view our articles.  And it’s all free.

Fire It Up Prayer

Our good friend and intercessor Tony would love to pray with and for you.  Contact Tony via www.fireitupprayer.com

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John Crowder – The New Mystics….

If you haven’t yet read this incredible book, then you are missing out on some awesome revelations. To get your copy email shop@fireitupshop.com We have several in stock in NSW and QLD $20 plus p+h

The Bible is not the Word of God

The scriptures are God-breathed but they are not “The Word of God”. The Word of God is Jesus. A person and not a book. The scriptures are about the Word of God (Jesus said so) but they are not Him.

Prove otherwise from the scriptures if you can.

Why do people refer to the Bible as the word of God? I don’t really know. It might be because people would prefer to read a book than rely on experiencing Jesus. A book is more controllable than a God

Heretic

Prophecies of Revival

SpecksandPlanks latest post reminded me of these questions, which bugged me over the years. (But I used to ignore them and push it conveniently aside.)

Question 1:
Why do we hear so many prophecies about Revival; why are they so frequently located in the home city where we here the prophecy, and why don’t they seem to come to pass?

As long as I was part of the Pentecostal movement, I’d hear wonderful prophecies about moves of God sweeping the city, the nation and then the world. Usually they’d start in Sydney where my church was. Occasionally, if there was a visiting speaker or pastor, we’d here of a move that was going to start wherever they lived. So far, the only revival I’ve seen would be the Toronto outpouring which was controversial (but I’m not going to debate that here), and I’m not sure that qualified as a revival, as I didn’t notice church numbers up or large numbers of people suddenly turning to Christ, a la Dwight L Moody or Smith Wigglesworth revivals.

Here’s an anecdote about Smith Wigglesworth (known as the ‘Apostle of Faith’, huge influence in the AOG):

“His notion of praying for the sick as an act of spiritual warfare helps account for his rough handling of people in his earlier ministry. He thought of striking a person where they hurt as actually hitting the devil. Although some reported healing as a result, others thought it best to avoid identifying the location of their pain. In one service, however, he met his match. At Glad Tidings Tabernacle in New York City, after he had struck an Irish immigrant woman who had gone forward for prayer, she immediately drew back her fist and shouted, “Begorra, if it’s a fight you want, it’s a fight you’ll get!” Fortunately, calm prevailed and the service proceeded without further incident.”

- See http://enrichmentjournal.ag.org/199801/070_wigglesworth.cfm

Think anyone else may have been inspired by that recently?

Here’s some brief info on Moody:

In 1867 Moody visited England, immediately establishing contacts with important English evangelists. In 1872 he launched his formal career as a revivalist in Great Britain, accompanied by Ira D. Sankey, his famous “singing partner” in all his subsequent major revivals. They first attracted widespread popular support in Scotland; then they moved south into England for a long series of campaigns, climaxed by a 4-month visit in London in 1875.

That year Moody returned to America, a national figure, and immediately launched a series of revivals. In huge revival meetings in New York, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Boston he created the basic machinery of urban mass revivalism. It was chiefly a feat of organization which sought to adapt the traditional theological and institutional practices of evangelical Protestantism to the new urban environment created by industrialism.

- See http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3404704553.html
Question 2:
What is a real revival? Is ‘revival’ a real move of God, or is it man-made? Or is it a response to man’s good organisation? Do there have to be miracles?

When I was attending C3 purely as a congregation member I learnt that it was primarily a move instigated by God. But perhaps they learn differently in college – understanding ‘the machinery of urban mass revivalism’. Are revival meetings just acts of mass manipulation, or do they have an intrinsic spiritual value as tools to advance the Kingdom? Is the test as usual, the fruit, measured some time later, in genuine commitments to Jesus that last?

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JAAL, 10KW & IHOP – (Pawn Parade?)

(Comment on above: Good money stewarding eh?)

Let me start by going back a few articles…

Looking back on Matt Ford’s Fire It Up ministry, I can honestly say that I admire Franc Manhattan’s love and faith in Jesus. He is sincere with what he believes.

However, due to Teddy and other people’s comments, it upsets me that he might be in situations where he can seriously affect others in unhealthy ways.

Do I blame Manhattan for this? No. He seems genuine, sincere and quite personable and lovable.

The fault lies with the American blasphemer Matt Ford. Strong language I know. But the world-wide ego’s are coming down under! They are to spread their fame, their name and their heretical claims..(?)

But surely we’d pick up on this. Well first came IHOP jumping into every country (except Australia) planting their heretical ministries that stemmed from the KCP and NAR. They didn’t succeed to plant in Australia or Sydney. Then came their brain wave of being ’smaller’ therefore less detectable. So they tried again to infiltrate the Sydney suburbs and ministries.

They got one mamma church and have planted a BURN 24/7 (IHOP prayer center in Sydney). They tried up in the Northern Beaches of Sydney where they tried to encourage local pastors to help encourage youth to get involved in 24/7 prayer. They came lookingas though they were ‘working’ with local pastors and ministries… That’s how they got that mamma church.

Some pastors were keen but it wasn’t long when discernment kicked in and BURN 24/7’s started being further examined. It didn’t go any further than that and pastors were telling their youth not to promote IHOP or BURN24/7 in their various media forms. They stopped pretty quickly in trying to infect Sydney. So what next?

Now enter the Christian pawn star.The first example I have seen of this was with the 10,000 Warriors (1oKW). And now I feel it is appropriate to voice as I’m concerned about it as it’s coming soon.

Watch their campaign video here:

http://voiceinthecity.org/content/view/165/27/

The voice of the speaker is Peter Madden. He says:

“In 1951, Bill Bright saw a three part vision. He saw that his ministry, Camper’s Crusade for Christ would reach the campus’ of the nations of the world. It happened. He saw it would produce mass media that would touch millions for Christ. It happened in the Jesus film. But what many Australian’s don’t know is that he saw a great fire of revival start in Australia and spread across the Pacific to America and then throughout the world. It’s coming.

In the 1920’s, Smith Wigglesworth, known as the Apostle of Faith, conducted phenomenal miracle meetings throughout Australia. It was reported that when he was in Melbourne, he too prophesied about the great end times revival that would come before the return of Christ. He said that it would begin in the nation of Australia.

In 1995, pastor David Cartledge, dean of Southern Cross College, and highly esteemed prophetic voice amongst the leadership of the Australian Christian CHurches had an open vision: he saw a thick fog covering the nation. Over Sydney it was jet-black. He then saw a great whirlwind as a vortex, clear the skies over sydney and then over all of Australia, so that brilliant light began to shine over the entire nation. It began in the region of Blacktown.”

Here’s their website: http://10000prayerwarriors.goodbarry.com/

Now here’s a nice clip of Suzette Hattingh:

Now this event looks as though it is about glorifying God. I hope it goes well for all those that go. I’m thinking of going. However, I have heard dicy doctrines in these clips and others from Madden and Hattingh. And this looks like another MAN MADE REVIVAL. Why? For the following reasons I’ve heard and seen:

MAN is trying to FULFILL prophesy so revival can come… (Or is he? This is worth discussing! When a prophecy is given, does man play any part in ‘trying’ to fulfill it?)

MAN is getting the GLORY… Peter Madden and Lady Suzette Hattingh with others who are peddling this will be the one’s recognised for BRINGING THE GLORY if they are scrounging for any prophesy to try and FULFILL.

MAN is trying to TWIST GOD’S ARM to do something… As much as Suzette came across well, enthusiastic and loving, ‘if we agree together on something, God MUST’. Okay… That would be nice… But I’d hate to think Hattingh is a German type of Copeland.

MAN is putting their FAITH IN MAN to see God do something… Madden’s faith is in Hattingh… Hattingh’s faith is in everyone that will be there… The people’s faith will be in her and him to bring revival… And then they’ll cry out to God.  So where is faith really going?

Now I originally wanted to call this article “The Blasphemer’s Pawns” because is it was a cool title. But it wasn’t accurate enough of a label. I don’t know much about Suzette Hattingh, but the fact she is ‘fulfilling prophecy’ and using Peter Madden as a ‘John The Baptist’ kind-a thing, just disturbs me deeply. I do know however that allot of money is backing this event and that they are CONNECTED to 24/7 House of Prayer ministries… THAT’S A CONCERN!

As we count down to the great ‘JESUS ALL ABOUT LIFE – SYDNEY CELEBRATION with Suzette Hattingh, it is amazing to see what God is doing in preparation. Fijian Pastor Joe Brown was sent by God into the Blacktown area 11 months ago to establish a 24/7 House of Prayer. …

I would expect the night to be great, but a huge embarrassment on there behalf after the event. (Maybe I’m being too judgmental. I wont deny the fact that the Holy Spirit will be there if people come to worship God and fellowship with Him, but to say GOD WILL and MUST, is I find incredibly presumptuous and arrogant.)

The reason why I wanted to call the article the following is because I’m starting to see a trend with the fammers, the glammours and ‘bammers’. If you want to spread your fame in different nations, then promote and sell your ministry with Jesus in a contemporary trendy light and then find someone like-minded who you can peddle as your pawn. They will be your John The Baptist, your mouth-piece and your baby-sitter when you are not around. They will be planting your ministries elsewhere. Have you sold Jesus to those who want what you’ve got?

In this instant both Franc Manhattan and now possibly, Peter Madden have been pawns for other people’s ministries.

FACT: CCC sponsored World Youth Day to solely promote themselves, as at their Presence conference, they bagged and openly mocked Catholicism and World Youth Day. (You should have heard Chris Pringle go for it!)

It was disgusting! Some of the comments at CCC leading up to it weren’t that nice either. I was shocked when I heard and then saw that CCC sponsored WYD08. They Pawned the event for their own gain!

With the 10,000 Warriors event in Blacktown, if they are associated or promoted beside the Christian event: Jesus All About Life (JAAL), would anyone feel disturbed that the 10KW’s would be pushing their show more and promoting their minsitries/doctrines/spirits-impartations more than JAAL? If Christian’s are comfortable with that, are they comfortable with the fact that while 10KW is pawning JAAL, IHOP’s BURN 24/7’s are pawning 10KW?

Would any ministry or Christian/Pastor/Minister like to be seen as a Christian Pawn Star?

He Who Blogs Not, Blogs Now: Todd Bentley’s Blog

If there was anyone against the blogging community; if there was anyone that got stung worse by bloggers cynicism and criticism; if there was anyone who spoke badly about blogging… It would have been Todd Bentley.

But what is this? Do my eyes deceive me? Lo! Todd Bentley has now become one of us! He is starting to blog! Will he be answering his critics? Is he just being healthy and now learning to see what people think?

http://www.freshfireusa.com/blog/?p=16