I have been watching them.
You can subscribe there too if you want, but I haven’t.
He hasn’t really answered people’s questions, but he’s really attacked Lee Grady by using sinister comments and ploys which I am so used to hearing Christians use even on me. I must admit that it was fairly uncalled for on Rick’s behalf. Rick was right to call his letter ‘harsh’ and not being ‘more tactful’. Lee Grady had every right to post up Joyner’s letter. Joyner’s so-called ‘personal’ letter was abusive. And his video, talking about his letter to Grady, was seemingly aired to of cover up his personal attack on the man.
Joyner should have thought it might be public. Lee is a journalist. It’s common sense that journalist would post up anything news-worthy unless you make a statement like-wise. And from Grady’s behalf, he did the right thing. Not only that, Grady IS LED to believe that this letter was public.
“I think you owe Todd, myself, Bill, and Jack apologies for your presumptuous judgments. I think they should be AS PUBLIC AS THIS LETTER WAS.” (emphasis mine)
With that information, I would even assume that Joyner has posted this letter up elsewhere, making this letter public. His comments to Lee Grady were demoralising, abusive, threatening and misleading. As from a journalists point of view, it was quite a good thing to publish to expose this divisive, abusive, hurtful soothsayer. But I hope this does not come “across as harsh” to anyone.
Joyner then said the following on his site via video:
“… and I answered to him in an e-mail to him which I thought was private. So I didn’t know he was going to publish it.”
“But it wasn’t Lee’s fault. I did not make it clear, I did not want what I wrote back to him publicised.”
“But I want to make that clear to you so that you understand it; I wrote it so fast at the top of my head, almost stream of consciousness. I would have done a much better job and made it much clear and understandable had I known he was going to post it and make it public.”
“I wrote it and I did not mean for it to go public. It was meant for Lee and Lee only.”
From above, you can clearly tell Rick Joyner is covering himself and not respecting Grady by LYING to cover his own nakedness. Grady keeps showing us this self-appointed apostle has no clothes and this self-appointed apostle doesn’t care!
The ‘Matt 18 guide’ Rick Joyner pointed out does not work. Period. It has been used and used again. Nothing happens. Nothing will happen if everyone uses this approach. Andrew Strom and others from this movement have applied such a method and have only seen this abused and proven to be ineffective against leaders that find no fault with themselves.
I have used this approach in the past with various abusive leaderships. You do all the right things nicely, sincerely, honestly and… nothing. I’ve done it til I’m blue in the face. So have others. I’ve discovered I’m not the only one who has done it to pastors, teachers or leaders behind closed doors. In these circumstances, Lee Grady has done the right thing since people have called ‘foul’ from the beginning and it has been refused to be addressed.
Rick Joyner in his video on his site has the guts to say the following:
“I was determined to confront this. I was determined to confront the illegitimate authority in the church today. Not just with Lee Grady but with many others that I believe is an illegitimate authority. And when you’re illegitimate in a place of authority, the accuser of the brother has a wide open door to use you. We must start learning to discern this accuser of the brethren that gets brethren accusing one another. Ok? Now some of the ways we can discern this is um…”
Go on Rick! PLEASE TELL US! (I don’t believe he’s gonna say this!)
“You know I believe the Lord is going to use His authority through the legitimate authority He has established in His church. He’s given us elders. He’s given us shepherds, he’s given us apostles and to be the authority within His church. I DO NOT BELIEVE A JOURNALIST DESERVES TO HAVE AUTHORITY IN THE CHURCH. I DON’T BELIEVE IT IS AN ILLEGITIMATE AUTHORITY and that’s what I was confronting Lee on.”
He then goes back on His common stabbing about Lee’s credentials of not starting church or a revival. If God can use anyone to start a revival, God can use also use anyone to sniff out a rat. Looks like prophets that don’t tickle peoples ears don’t belong to the institutionalised church which Rick Joyner is obviously made. Looks like shepherds are out their with the prophets looking after those hurt by the harlots within. Looks like the apostles are online establishing online church blog communities, addressing the hurting and the opinionated online. (And a lot more happens offline with personal PM’s or e-mails being exchanged!). God is online with those online, who want to remain online for God’s truth. It’s those offline and want to remain offline that I’m worried about.
Rick Joyner wouldn’t even listen to a child if the child was honest and said ‘You’ve got no clothes on’. Joyner is bad as O Reilly. No wait.
Reilly would take offense to that. The fact that Rick Joyner is clothing himself with his own lies without a problem has confirmed my worries about him since I first of his book, The Final Quest: he is delusionally dangerous!
Rick Joyner is probably the most amazing soothsayer I’ve ever seen. He is a liar. Not only has he charmed thousands, but for him to charm an audience, he would have had to charm the snake first to attract one. Another who knows the scripture has been twist-teaching him and now it is all surfacing as he is pursuing whatever he is trying to pursue. He’s done it to himself. He has got his pedestal – not only his infallibility, but LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY.
From Rick Joyner’s biblical infallibility, he has legitimate authority. (Self appointed obviously through the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR).) Lee Grady has illegitimate authority. A journalist who does not have credentials like Rick Joyner.
However. Lee Grady is a Christian journalist who’s sole function is to examine truth, report truth and expose wrong things if truth isn’t in the circumstance. He has done so. His Christian job criteria is fulfilled, therefore (I find), this makes him legitimate. Not only that, he has taken a serious role as teacher, pastor and prophet. How?
Pastors and teachers defend the truth and expose the false things so that God’s flocks will not be scattered, divided or plundered by thieves or wolves. He’s prophetic in the sense that he has judged and (I believe) has done so appropriately. He is seeing things that are happening that are not of God and is asking for things to be corrected. And he is also one representative of all those who have cried foul from the beginning.
How the ‘accuser’, Rick Joyner bites back with the serpents help. But I say this not to be ‘harsh’. I say this because I really am rushed.
The self-appointed apostle Joyner has the right to tear down Grady because He is an apostle. But Grady has no right to expose Joyner and the gang?
At the moment, Grady still has more credibility then Joyner. I hope he does an expose. Rick talks about “spheres of authority we need to recognise”. Great. He could at least recognise Grady’s sphere of authority when it comes to CHRISTIAN journalism.
And now. Here is Joyner’s climax to prove he is a false man of God. The man himself pushes the one and only FALSE GOSPEL:
And I think when you go beyond what God has given you to do, (in Paul’s case it’s geographical, but these are spiritual too), you’ve GONE BEYOND THAT. YOU’VE GONE BEYOND GOD’S GRACE. You’re wide open for the enemy to use you.
You see. Right after this, Joyner goes onto say that Lee Grady and those that do all this reporting about the Lakeland Florida are stumbling blocks. He goes onto labeling them stumbling blocks. Oh I am so angry about this! Hypocrite! Before we address this false gospel, allow this smart and angry Christian point out Rick being the stumbling block:
“Lack of credibility… Dear Joyner, You sir, are the one who lacks credibility. You stood on stage with Bentley on June 23rd, 2008 along with other false apostles and prophets and not one of you had the discernment to see that Bentley was living in flagrant sin. Drinking excessively in public, ministering in public with his mistress beside him, telling the world he was happily married – showing off his wife and kids then dumping them weeks later. Not ONE of you so-called “apostles” has one whit of discernment.” – Javanut
Now this false gospel… how can anyone separate themselves from the love of God? Specifically grace? Well as Paul says:
Rom 5:20 … But where sin increased, grace increased all the more,
So how can Rick say our actions go beyond God’s grace from saving us. Rick Joyner is a serious stumbling block in this regard.
But he finally rightly said:
“We as Christians need to discern the spirit now”
We’ve already heard his pathetic excuse of discernment on this issue:
“Now some of the ways we can discern this is um… You know I believe the Lord is going to use His authority through the legitimate authority He has established in His church.”
Oh that’s right! (If only he had a clue!)
BTW. For someone who rushed a letter to Lee, it’s amazing that there was no spelling errors or grammatical errors. (
Maybe he had time to check all those things before e-mailing out of anger.)
Joyner. You looked nervous and rattled. Just repent so that innocence can be restored to your vessel.
Their is nothing wrong with apology or repentance. It’s something we should all desire within ourselves and for those who are falling around us.
These are sad days indeed!