“But I agree discuss over at SP2 is more civil.” – MJ
This article is in response from the comments of Groupsects here:
TO get the conversations going, I’ll post a few key responses from GroupSects so that it may continue (if it is not too late already!):
“Don’t forget to include Titus 1:6…., the husband of but one wife.” – teddy
“Funny how you’ll grasp an old testament teaching on women in leadership and say it’s valid but when it comes to tithing you say because it’s OT it’s not relevant?
I’m not against either, if one feels so led then fine. I have received some great insight into some passages of scripture from the preaching of women, as with men. Even out of the mouths of children… and Teddy, to say “take it up with God..” what a weak, weak position.” – Alias
“Where else do we go then beside His Word. The heart is deceitful above all else so our views can’t be validated anywhere else. If my opinion doesn’t line up with God’s CLEAR teaching, guess who’s wrong? Where’s the OT scripture your’e referring to – Deborah in Judges I guess, but that in itself is judgment. Her leadership was not spiritual by the way. Let me clarify that last statement, I posted too soon. She acted primarily in the role of an arbiter, not as an ongoing leader, which explains why she called on Barak when needing military leadership against the Canaanites. There’s no other occasion where she had engaged in any ongoing prophetic work.
God has given women a different role in the church. Men and women are equal in spiritual privilege, capacity, blessedness, and promise. Both are able to serve the Lord effectively. But the responsibility of overseeing a church is limited to men.” – Teddy
“… Paul wrote many times of women who were doing equal work in the church to men, Lydia, Priscilla, Junia (who was commended as an apostle and see as an outstanding one) and also Tryphena, Tryphosa, and Persis, “women who work hard in the Lord. He also mentions Phoebe as a deacon in the church, as well Mary and Chloe. He wrote far more about women and appreciated women in Ministry far more than we generally recognise. Teddy I see you accept that both men and women are able to serve the Lord effectively, however I think from Pauls writing that women were in leadership in the early church and that there is no real reason why women can not be heads of churches.
Gal. 3:28 “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” is a call for equal roles within the church, despite the fact that it is speaking about salvation primarily it has impact on social roles as well.
this is a great discussion on women in ministry – very long but well worth the read I think.” – Greg The Explorer
“The ultimate result of a woman being given authority -Katherine Schori claims individual salvation is heresy http://www.virtueonline.org/portal/modules/news/article.php?storyid=10782 ” – Teddy
“I feel sorry for you Teddy, in this instance. In case you’re serious about your sarcasm question, my point was that you can’t possibly expect anyone to draw a line between one example of “women in authority” and all women who preach. I mean, seriously? That’s the best you’ve got?” – Alias
“Why do you feel sorry for me? What a strange thing to say. Especially to someone that has come out of 22 years of church lite aka C3. Katherine Schori is a pretty good example of what happens when church denominations go liberal. And I’m a member of a great anglican church now. And that’s the last thing I would have expected to happen – btw!” – Teddy
“I think it’s great that you are doing well, please don’t misunderstand me. I guess I’m surprised that you seem so resigned to your ‘fate’ as a female.” – Alias
“And now we have Paula white back “pastoring” Without Walls the charismatic church founded by she and her now ex-husband – this list of flaky, no sound doctrine, female leadership just goes on and on!! Sorry to be seeming to belabour the point. Attached is a fine example of what she believes:
“Teddy, I do respect your view, but do differ based upon scripture itself. But regardless of which perspective we have, really, Paula White??? Its a bit like putting Steve Munsey or Phil Pringle up as examples of male preachers/teachers. Not fair!” – RavingPente
“Teddy, I’d like to hear your take on Galatians 3:28 and how it affects the position of women in ministry. Also have you had a look at the paper I linked to?” – Greg The Explorer
So there are a few comments. I will post up Craig’s comments too. Just recently in my church environment, this issue came up with eldership and counselling women as leaders. So my views on this are being challenged. I might add my tuppenceworth a bit later. So fire away. For the sake of just stirring the fire; I will take a side blindly and say that it is biblical for women to submit to men, married or not, when it comes to leadership. Taht’ll get a few people hopping. This is an important issue to discuss.