‘Fire It Up International Hogwarts – Prof DumbleFord & Pothead Central

Oh gosh! Would the government endorse a Gnostic, New Age, Mystic, Occult and Spiritist teaching school under the name of Christianity? Matthew Ford: what credentials DOES he have?

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Fire It Up Bible College & Website Downtime
Matt Ford
Nov 26, 2009

Dear Partner’s and Friends,

It has been great interacting with many of you via our new “live streaming” site. We have heard of some amazing healing miracles that are happening in other countries as Matt calls our words of knowledge, Yay God!

You can watch by going to  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/fire-it-up-ministries

We are in the process of setting up a FULL TIME Bible College starting in late Jan 2010. We are in the process of getting government approval for Austudy and will be offering an AA, BA or MA degree in Christian Theology.  This wont be like any other College on earth!  A College of the Whack with full credentials and ordination from Dr Matt 🙂

DOWNTIME: Our private server which hosts our web sites is closing down due to the economic crunch, as such we will be swapping servers over the next few days.  There may be some downtime as this happens, but it shouldnt effect our live streaming.  Emails may not get through, so maybe send a pidgeon or dolphin in stead 🙂

Thanks for being patient with us as we get this up and running!

You are loved….. you really are!

Fire It Up.

http://www.fireitup.com.au

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24 thoughts on “‘Fire It Up International Hogwarts – Prof DumbleFord & Pothead Central

  1. Oh, dear.

    Speaking of Bible Colleges, I’ve heard someone from C3 say recently that the Sydney College of Divinity is investigating C3 Oxford Falls college campus as they are not sure that the creative arts stream should qualify as a theology degree. Apparently the students are very worried that they might not get their degrees after all, despite all the effort, time and money they have invested in good faith. A very stressful situation for everyone down there.

    I don’t know much about this – can anyone confirm if this is the case or not?

  2. Just to explain the structure – Sydney College of Divinity is a multi-denominational organisation which has accreditation for degrees etc; it has member colleges from different faiths, including Alphacrucis which used to be ‘Southern Cross Bible College’, the Assemblies of God College. Alphacrucis has a campus at Hillsong and at C3, and is apparently trying to become a university. But this information needs to be confirmed.

  3. i can, yes RP, I know a couple of people in the creative arts and they have mentioned, briefly, the structure etc. Not sure of all the details, there is a general crackdown non accreditation of “private” colleges as one of my family runs one.

  4. What bothers me is that what are the qualifications of the trainers and teachers in quasi Christian establishments. You should be required to have a degree in teaching and post graduate in theology in a proper college

  5. Well, they might, depends whats happening with the laws. I notice alot of “leaders” get their qualifications online overseas. As these churches, thanks to the aust govt, are classed as religious institutions. Not sure about austudy with churches. I thought they were private fee based arrangements

  6. I’m pretty sure, in an old post, Matt Ford got his credentials from Todd Bentley’s ministry which was in Canada before the Bentley scandal broke.

  7. that says it all … say hello to Angel worship boys’n’girls.

    No way can he call himself Dr Matt … unless he got himself a PhD from an accredited institution. Diploma mills don’t count.

    Still, if he can set up a ‘school’ he’ll be able to rake it in. He’ll be swimming in cash like Scrooge McDuck.

    But only because he’ll have effectively set up his own diploma mill.

    Isn’t this sort of thing actually illegal?

    Coffee time.

    Shalom

  8. I used to teach at SCA at C3. I have no formal qualifications other than extensive industry experience and a certificate in adult education. Most of the courses however, such as Visual Art, song writing, Worship and Film and TV don’t require the lecturers to have degrees. I have friends who teach creative arts in many TAFE colleges who also don’t have degrees. In my opinion experience in the real world in creative professions count for more than having 6 years spent cloistered in a university lecture room learning theory.

  9. I agree XC3.

    But if any of my tax dollars go to the aforementioned institution I shall be taking it up with my MP directly!!

    Happy to support genuine teaching institutions, but I can’t see this being one.

    It will only give the legitimate ones a bad name.

  10. it’s all about if the institution is accredited.

    An academic theological course leading to BA, MA and PhD would need to be run by individuals who can assess course work and exam questions with the necessary academic rigour … wouldn’t you say?

    I agree that book learning will only take you so far, but I could claim to be an expert in Hebrew and Greek but that would be a false claim. Formal qualifications are ultimately necessary for a theological training centre or a school of theology.

    Qualifications we don’t know that Ford actually has.

    He doesn’t need them anyway … he’s currently levitating while chatting with his spirit guide/pet angel.

    I haven’t had enough coffee yet, obviously.

    Shalom

  11. XC3 – I’m imagining you are referring to the apparent stoush over accreditation at C3 in the creative arts stream at the moment, rather than Matt Ford, since Matt Ford is offering a theology degree and I don’t think creative arts are part of it.

    I agree that in Creative Arts, or any very practical area, verifiable experience is vital for a teacher. In my own previous profession, a degree and several years experience were required for registration, but there is a method where enough practical experience is recognised, though tests and interviews are also then carried out.

    In a theology degree, wherever it is, you would expect that the academic theological content would be taught by those who either have respected qualifications, or whose experience and knowledge is acknowledged and respected by their peers as having achieved some quality level. So we have some people in all professions receiving honorary degrees from time to time where the latter is the case and they’ve achieved something noteworthy.

    With respect to C3’s accreditation, I’d imagine that the theological content, if not taught by people with degrees, would be taught by people who in the circle of churches that have similar theology, are respected for their knowledge to a higher level. Matt Ford’s college could say the same thing. Others would dispute the entire theology of those churches, hence giving the degrees no credence at all.

    Where are these degrees acknowledged? A church with one type of theology might prefer the degree with the less qualified teachers, that agrees with their theology, because they disagree with what is taught at some of the major theological colleges. Another church, used to the major theological colleges, would perhaps look with suspicion at the same degree. That’s regardless of whether the degree is accredited or not.

    Given the differences in theology, and vast differences in attitude towards how the Bible is interpreted, a theological ‘degree’ will mean something vastly different depending on where it originated.

    I guess there must be some approach to how the content is delivered and how the result is measured to decide on the level of qualification achieved, regardless of theology. A one-time dissertation of 10,000 words or something wouldn’t qualify someone to have a doctorate for example in my view.

    There’s an irony in churches which regarded seminary training as ‘cemetary training’ now see it as desirable to be able to hand out their own degrees.

  12. The latest news from ‘Water It Down’ International Ministries…

    “The corporate church is experiencing an outbreak of glory like never before. This revival wont be contained to one building or city, it is breaking out into the streets and into every church that wants it. It’s a wildfire! You are a carrier of revival glory!

    Starting early next year we will be launching our Full Time Bible College, with night courses running as well. This will be a fully accredited Bible College, with AUSTUDY approval by mid-year.

    * Curriculum founded on the Word and the Spirit
    * Personal Instruction from Drs. Christian and Robin Harfouche & Rev. Matt Ford
    * Earn a AA, BA or MA degree in Christian Theology
    * Flexible payment plans available

    Subjects include: Heavenly Identity, Great Faith, Anointing, Miracles, God Man, Prophets and Prophecy, The Supernatural, Prayer and Intercession, Demons and Demonology, The Activity of Angels, Ministry Gifts, Team Ministry, The New Mystics, Extreme Miracles…and many more!

    All classes will be held at The Wine Barrel Church and overseen by Rev. Matthew Ford. This a College based on the Word & Holy Spirit.”

  13. Like that subject list. ‘Great Faith’… ‘The Activity of Angels’… ‘Extreme Miracles’.

    What is ‘God Man’?

    What about areas of Biblical Studies, Biblical Languages, Church History etc, which most average Christians would assume are covered in a course that would qualify as degree level? Sounds like they intend to teach how they understand the bible rather than how to read the bible and understand it for yourself.

    I wonder how they can promise AUSTUDY approval by mid-year? Don’t know much about the accreditation process, but is it guaranteed? Even my kids childcare centres couldn’t promise approval in advance of their accreditation (we were caught in the ABC Learning saga).

    This just shows how different theology degrees are, even assuming that they are all accredited. You’ve really got to know about what the degree includes; the name means nothing otherwise.

    It shows how important it is these days when someone is claiming a qualification, to know where they obtained it from, if we are relying upon them as a result of their qualification. Then we can look it up and see for ourselves how it stands relative to other qualifications of the same name.

  14. BTW does anyone know – if this investigation of the C3 creative stream by Sydney College of Divinity results in C3 not being accredited any more in that area, does it affect tax deductions that are currently allowed for those who contribute to the church building fund?

    I understood that the building fund was tax deductable because it is towards a government approved educational institution, or something along those lines. Does this investigation place the tax deductions in jeopardy, or only the qualifications (not that the latter are unimportant to those who’ve put a lot of work into them in good faith).

  15. I remember way back when C3 were trying to gain their accreditation for the colleges it took a few years and every part of the curriculum was scrutinised. I doubt very much whether Fire It Up will be eligible for accreditation at all. They may be making promises they can’t keep. Then again, the accreditation process may have changed dramatically since then. Let’s wait and see.

  16. “BTW does anyone know – if this investigation of the C3 creative stream by Sydney College of Divinity results in C3 not being accredited any more in that area, does it affect tax deductions that are currently allowed for those who contribute to the church building fund?” – RP

    I will try to find out more about this coup this week.

  17. “I remember way back when C3 were trying to gain their accreditation for the colleges it took a few years and every part of the curriculum was scrutinised.”

    That’s a good sign for all the qualifications that are accredited. People do have to provide something that isn’t so simple it can be assessed in two weeks. You would also think that it would take some time to lose accreditation as well, in that case.

  18. key phrase here …

    * Flexible payment plans available

    they don’t care if they get accredited or not. After 6 months of “study” they’ll string people along who are paying in good faith.

    “God Man” is clearly a reference to the “manifest Sons of God” heresy where we all become God-Man in the sense that Christ is made manifest in us. i.e. the second coming.

    This eschatology is the same as that promoted by the New Apostolic Reformation, through Todd Bentley to Matt Ford.

    “The Activity of Angels” – Promotion of Angelic worship, rather than Worship of Abba Father and Jesus Christ.

    It is heresy. The preaching of a different Gospel. A different Jesus. This path that Ford is promoting will only lead to ultimate destruction.

    I do not consider Matt Ford to be a brother in the Lord. He is an apostate and should be cast out into outer darkness, as he has turned his back on Jesus and instead promotes fables.

    May the Lord shine the light of truth on Matt Ford and his lies. In Jesus Name, Amen.

  19. More info on ‘WaterItDown’ Bible College:

    Fire It Up Bible College – 2010

    Starting early next year we will be launching our Full Time Bible College, with night courses running as well. This will be a fully accredited Bible College, with AUSTUDY approval by mid-year.

    * Each course consists of 96 CDs or 100 hours of prophetic teaching and impartation
    * Curriculum founded on the Word and the Spirit
    * Personal Instruction from Drs. Christian and Robin Harfouche & Rev. Matt Ford
    * Earn a AA, BA or MA degree in Christian Theology
    * Flexible payment plans available
    * Subjects include: Heavenly Identity, Great Faith, Anointing, Miracles, God Man, Prophets and Prophecy, The Supernatural, Prayer and Intercession, Demons and Demonology, The Activity of Angels, Ministry Gifts, Team Ministry, The New Mystics, Extreme Miracles…and many more!
    * All classes will be held at The Wine Barrel Church and overseen by Rev. Matthew Ford.
    * This a College based on the Word & Holy Spirit.

  20. Can a university do this?

    From http://ihop.org/Groups/1000051963/International_House_of/Events/Weekends_IHOP_KC/Weekend_Services/FSM_Stream/FSM_Stream.aspx?redirected=1 (emphasis mine):

    International House of Prayer University Student Awakening

    On November 11, during a 9:00am class of first-year students, led by Allen Hood and Wes Hall at International House of Prayer University (IHOPU), the Spirit moved in their midst with physical healings, deliverance, and a spirit of joy. That class, on November 11, continued for more than 15 hours. The word spread quickly, and over 2,000 people spontaneously gathered in the auditorium from all over the Kansas City area, as deliverance and physical healings increased. The meeting continued well past midnight. Recognizing that the Spirit was moving, the leadership of IHOPU canceled all classes for the next few days so that we could gather to receive all that the Spirit wanted to do.

    We recognize that the Holy Spirit is awakening our students and many others. In each of these meetings, many people are being set free from addictions, shame, depression, demonic activity, and every sort of emotional pain. We are also witnessing an increase of physical healings, as God is touching and restoring bodies inside the building, as well as healing people watching via the webstream. Moreover, we greatly rejoice as we are seeing lost souls being added to the kingdom of God during these meetings. We are receiving many testimonies and reports that this move of the Spirit is spreading to other churches and prayer rooms that are joining with us each night via the webstream.

    It all began on November 4, on the last day of the monthly Global Bridegroom Fast at the International House of Prayer of Kansas City (IHOP–KC). A move of the Holy Spirit began to stir during the student chapel at IHOPU, as students testified about receiving deliverance from self-hatred, shame, and depression. Students began to experience supernatural joy at the revelation of God’s love for them. A powerful spirit of joy rested on many the next day at the IHOPU student-led 6:00am prayer meeting, and the Spirit continued to move throughout the week in our classes and during the faculty meetings.

    What started during our IHOPU student chapel on November 4 is continuing today. Visitors are pouring in from many places, with some driving over 1,000 miles overnight to participate in these meetings. Consequently, on November 12, we moved the Prayer Room to our Forerunner School of Ministry sanctuary from 6:00pm to midnight each night, to accommodate more people. We will continue these nightly meetings as the Holy Spirit leads us. We earnestly pray that this awakening will continue, as our nation is in desperate need of another great awakening in this hour.

    Throughout history, college and university campuses in our nation have been an epicenter and a catalyst for spiritual awakening. Since the 1700s, our nation has witnessed multiple moves of the Holy Spirit that have touched and awakened students on college campuses, including Princeton University, Yale University, Asbury College, Wheaton College, and more than a dozen other college campuses. These spiritual awakenings often progressed beyond the campuses and resulted in a great number of souls being added to the kingdom of God. History also attests to a strong correlation between spiritual awakening and missionary movements. We pray that this spiritual awakening that is touching IHOPU and the rest of our IHOP–KC Missions Base will break out all over our nation in different cities.

  21. Yes, I see no reason why not. But the students would normally have to cover the content of their course and catch up on any work they are behind in.

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