It Pays To Pray

EndtimesPropheticWord has observed:

Paid Intercession by professional intercessors

Dod has a new post up that makes some valid points in very few words: http://worldofdod.wordpress.com/2009/12/13/jessabelle-hires-a-paid-intercessor/

Some people may be amazed on seeing this that professional intecessors actually exist in modern times within protestant ”churches”, especially within the groups that claim to be the most Spirit-filled and ‘anointed’, and the ones that are (allegedly) most on the ball spiritually and the ones most in line with God’s will.

It got me thinking, what do you guys make of paid-for intercessors – on the payroll of companies to pray for their corporate success etc? As far as I’m aware, paid intercessors and their pimps prey mainly within Hyper-Charismatic dominionist circles. Amongst others within the New Apostolic Reformation/Latter Rain/River delusional stream, Todd Bentley and Fresh Fire Minisitries have said they hired paid “professional” intercessors to pray for their business ministry. But they’re not the only ones. The first reformation, among other things, sought to get rid of exactly this kind of stuff. The ‘new’ reformation under ‘Pope’ C Peter Wagner and the diabolical Chucky ‘Kabbalah’ Pierce and Dutch Sheets wants to bring it all back?!

Anyway, it boggles my mind that anybody who knows the Bible even a little bit would –

  • a) pay for someone to pray for them

and/or

  • b) be paid to pray for someone/something

It also boggles my mind that any ‘Christian’ could think a paid intercessor’s prayers would be heard by God at all, let alone that they would consider such prayers to be heard in a superior manner to any one else’s prayers warranting them being paid good money for. Or do you guys think otherwise?

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/paid-intercession-by-professional-intercessors/

Bringing this up at lunch the other day, this insighted a lot of discussion. What are your thoughts on the above?


11 thoughts on “It Pays To Pray

  1. I am actually a bit shocked! I had no idea that paid intercessors existed. It’s so contrary to most people’s idea of church life, that I’m very surprised ministries would use them.

    I guess it just shows how the mentality of religion has been influenced by the business world these days. You can outsource most work you want done; outsourcing prayer, or employing someone just to pray, is just an extension.

    It really misses the point that our relationship with God is, strangely, relational, and not ‘transactional’ (borrowing the expression from the recently quoted C3 article).

    There are intercessors out there, but when they pray for us it is as part of our community, and they theoretically share in the other benefits of that community, while contributing in their own area of gifting. To introduce payment for this is astonishing!

    I guess you could make an argument if someone was on staff full time and part of their role was officially intercession. In that sense, it could be like paying a pastoral team member who has given up their time.

    But ‘professional intercessor’ – does that mean God hears them better than He hears the rest of us? Wierd.

  2. Yeah, I was really shocked too. It shows they have a very different mindset than mainstream Protestant Christianity.

    Giving material payment for something which is relational or spiritual brings to mind such examples as paying for indulgences or even Jesus driving the sellers out of the temple. It is quite a break from the mainstream.

    What else are they paying for? It boggles the mind. It shows how much they have bought into the material success story and made it into a substitute for God.

  3. “It shows how much they have bought into the material success story and made it into a substitute for God.” – wazza

    Absolutely.

    Maybe we should start asking for payment when we stack chairs, are part of a worship team, attend a prayer meeting, organise a home group, look after the kids in children’s church, work the sound desk, prepare the communion, host fellow believers in our home… where do I end???

  4. We would all agree that prayer works.
    I’m not saying this is right or wrong, but at least the ministers know and appreciate the power of prayer.

    It would be tempting for a minister to pay someone who has a ‘successful’ prayer life, to have on staff to pray for their ministry. It makes sense that a minister pays them for their time and effort, as the prayer might be sacrificing quality time with family or miss out gaining an income for their family.

    It disturbs me though. But I can see why paying people to pray is plausible. Imagine having that on your resume? “Professional Prayer/ Interceder”.

    Just odd.

  5. I wouldn’t be against it in that context: ‘the prayer might be sacrificing quality time with family or miss out gaining an income for their family’, but I would have thought that off situation if ever, rather than a normal occurrence. So I see no need for it.

    Prayer is something shared throughout a congregation, though some may have an intercessory gift. To have a full time position for such a thing will actually make others feel they don’t need to pray – its all being done for them. Plus, where it is a gift from God, we should not be asking for money.

    Plus – the C3 document used the term ‘buy in’… when people are involved in prayer, they tend to ‘buy in’ more! (I seem to recall being taught this somewhere at some stage…)

  6. I don’t like big group prayers anymore, although have done it for years. NT says to privately pray somewhere or get two or more to pray. I would rather pray with a trusted person, where you can say your innermost heartfelt prayers.

  7. “To have a full time position for such a thing will actually make others feel they don’t need to pray – its all being done for them.”

    That’s what I’m worried about.

    “Plus – the C3 document used the term ‘buy in’… when people are involved in prayer, they tend to ‘buy in’ more! (I seem to recall being taught this somewhere at some stage…)”

    Well it was in a manila folder entitled ‘sermons’. Maybe they’re not student hand-out notes after all. Maybe it was the actual sermon. I just dunno.

  8. well, i think praying together is an intimate thing to do so i see it as a tool to get people to feel connected, to feel, at one if you will.

    Im not sure that feeling lasts though……..

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