FaceLift says (at least until S&P deletes it):
In regard to some people’s understanding of the tithe: I will say, from previous discussions, that we [i.e. heretic & facelift ] have a fundamental difference of opinion regarding the role of Melchizadek and Abraham, and the types portrayed at their meeting at Salem, which is also evidenced by the writer to the Hebrews. If it were not evidenced by the writer to the Hebrews then there would not be any real connotations for the New Testament, or for believers. As I say, I won’t go over this with you again unless you are prepared to allow the discussion to be ridicule and accusation free.
I’m happy to give my views, but I don’t think it would serve any purpose here. However, in view of some of the understanding by other ministers of these passages, ie that there is some merit in considering Abram’s tithe an act of faith, calling people who teach ‘tithing by faith’ (for want of better terminology) fraudulent is not helpful, and more likely to stifle debate or discussion than encourage it, so, in the end, it goes nowhere and we have a stale-mate.
After previous discussions between heretic, FaceLift and others this passage is the last hope for those who believe that tithing can be taught to believers. All others were weighed in the balance and found wanting. Stuart Murray has a pretty good look at them in Beyond Tithing http://www.christianbits.co.uk/product.php?id=1842270001.
FaceLift’s overview of the argument is recorded above. The overview is too brief to launch into a discussion so I will allow him to attempt to show from scripture how the writer of Hebrews promotes tithing by reference to Abraham and Melchizedek.
It is usually possible for one to start with a cherished belief and read selected scriptures in such a way as to give one’s self confidence that this belief is supported from scripture. But this is not FaceLift’s task. FaceLift’s mission on this post (should he chose to accept it) is to show that scripture supports tithing by Christians, because if it does not this means that when “churches” teach tithing they are adding to scripture to obtain money from Christians. Specifically his task is to show that Hebrews supports tithing by Christians since we have already determined that no other scriptures do.
My belief is that tithing is preached due to the need for “churches” to meet cash-flow needs rather that because the scriptures teach it. My expectation is that scripture cannot be read in such a way as to promote tithing to believers but if it can I will retract my statement that preaching tithing obtains money by deception and is therefore fraud.
Over to FL.