What The Hell Joel A’Bell?

The intelligent Joel A’Bell blogs http://joelabell.posterous.com/why-do-crowds-gather:

October 4, 2010

Why Do Crowds Gather?

I took this photo about 30mins before we opened the doors @HillsongNYC and the crowd goes down the street and the same length around the corner! Hillsong New York hasn’t even officially started but people are voting with their feet. What is it that makes a crowd gather?
Why would people wait like this??

My next question is: how long can we sustain this?
Will a crowd always gather like this?
Will people always line up or is there a shelf life?

—> would be great to hear thoughts from people who were in this line!

Do you reckon you can help Joel A’Bell’s tough question? It seems he needs help.


7 thoughts on “What The Hell Joel A’Bell?

  1. Maybe this information might give Joel A’Bell a clue:

    From: http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/29201-hillsong-launches-new-york-congregation

    Hillsong Launches New York Congregation

    Thursday, 02 September 2010 09:21 AM EDT Adrienne S. Gaines News Featured News
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    Australia’s Hillsong Church is launching its first U.S. congregation in New York City, with weekly small-group meetings beginning Sunday night. Known for its popular worship music, Sydney-based Hillsong has planted churches around the world, including in London; Paris; Stockholm; Cape Town, South Africa; and Kiev, Ukraine.Hillsong founder Brian Houston said the new congregation will not compete with other established churches in New York, the most populous city in the U.S. “We acknowledge that there are already many great churches in greater New York, and we are excited to see how we can come alongside and be a blessing to these leaders and their congregations,” Houston wrote in a blog earlier this year. “As the story of Hillsong New York unfolds, our mandate will remain the same: We desire to build a church that loves God and loves people.” Hillsong New York will be led by Carl and Laura Lentz and Hillsong United frontman Joel Houston. Although Joel Houston will be based in New York, he will continue to serve as creative director for Hillsong’s global outreach and minister with Hillsong United, a youth-oriented worship band that has sold millions of albums worldwide.

    Roughly 250 interested members currently meet occasionally in “connect groups” as Lentz and Houston continue to search for a venue in a city known for its pricey real estate. Regular worship services are expected to begin no later than January, Lentz said. And an introductory Encounter Night featuring Brian Houston and other key international leaders is scheduled for Oct. 17.

    But more than its location or worship music, Lentz hopes the New York church will be known for members who are committed to serving others.

    “Church is not just a service, it’s a community of believers dedicated to preaching the gospel and helping people,” Lentz wrote in a recent blog. “Churches have services, and we plan on having some amazing, soul-winning, Jesus-glorifying services, but this community of believers is more than a weekly meeting.”

    A graduate of Hillsong’s Bible school, Lentz was a minister at Wave Church in Virginia Beach, Va., before he and his family moved to Brooklyn, N.Y., in July. He said the city that never sleeps has been keeping him up at night—and that’s a good thing.

    “It’s been very difficult to sleep and not because of the honking taxis, but because of the possibility,” he told Charisma. “It’s just like, ‘Lord, help us to have the kind of vision that’s required for a city like this.'”

    Though some question whether there’s a need for another church in New York, Lentz said with the number of people living in the city—8.4 million to be exact—there’s room for thousands of churches.

    “I’ve personally been able to invite probably around 30 people who have never been to church—never,” Lentz said. “And that has shocked me.”

    “There are just so many people to reach,” he added. “When you’re here, you understand you’ve got to link arms with as many churches [as you can] because every church has a lane that they run in, and we need all churches clicking on all cylinders.”

    Lentz said he’s found New Yorkers to be surprisingly kind, and they’ve forced him to broaden his vision for the Big Apple.

    “New Yorkers are known for being … gruff, [but] we just haven’t seen that,” he said. “New Yorkers are busy and they’re passionate about what they’re doing, but we’ve found people to be very open. I think if anything’s happened since we’ve been here in this month I’ve felt convicted to have a bigger dream and to believe for more influence because people are so open.”

    Read more: http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/29201-hillsong-launches-new-york-congregation#ixzz11OaM5sCY

    And this is from Hillsong http://brianandbobbie.com/2010/04/update-2-hillsong-new-york-city :


    Wed, 14th Apr 2010.

    Filed under:

    Well, on Tuesday night we gathered with the heart and soul of Hillsong Church in Sydney and Brisbane at Leadership Vision Night. The House was packed with some of the finest volunteers, leaders and pastors that a Senior Pastor could ever ask for. Bobbie and I are so blessed by the caliber of people who consistently embody the spirit of this House, and carry the vision of this church each week with painstaking excellence. The greatest resource the church will ever have is people, and we, at Hillsong Church are so very blessed.

    With all of our leaders gathered, I had the opportunity to unfold a bit more about the vision for Hillsong New York; and I am excited to announce that Joel Houston, (Bobbie’s and my eldest son), will be a key part of the team alongside Carl and Laura Lentz in New York City. Since we announced our plans in New York City, I’ve learned that in bible college days, Joel and Carl spoke about a dream to one day work together and build a church in New York. With their unique skill sets and capacity for the ever changing, busy, transient and widespread demographic of New York, I could not be more excited for the future of this team, and our newest global campus.

    Joel’s role in Hillsong Music, UNITED, and creatively across Hillsong Church will not change, and his presence in Sydney and input into key events will only increase as he takes on new responsibilities. Joel has been the Creative Director of Hillsong Church for a number of years now, and his creative input and solid leadership to Hillsong Church globally is vital. We are not losing anything; we are actually just enlarging our reach and capacity. Joel will still contribute everything he does now to the team and we will keep building stronger and moving forward. These are exciting days.

    Since announcing Hillsong New York City, we have received hundreds of emails and letters of correspondence from people who are showing an interest in our plans for New York City. Though we are grateful and humbled by the response, I truly believe the Body of Christ needs people who are willing to use what is in their hand to build the vision of the church that is local to them. Hillsong New York will never begin with strength if it is built on shaky foundations, or unsettled people. Whether for people from Hillsong Church, Wave Church (Carl’s home church) or other churches across the globe, commitment to your local church and the vision of your leaders is of infinite value.

    We are so grateful for your enthusiasm and ask that you continue to pray for Hillsong New York, for open doors and God’s perfect timing. I am so full of vision for the future and excited to see what God is going to do. We are now only 11 weeks from Hillsong Conference Sydney and I want to remind you again that ‘Where we’re going, is not where we’ve been before…’

    The Best is Yet to Come,


    Brian Houston

    To read the blog in Spanish, please click here

  2. Well, Hillsong is a fad that won’t last forever.

    I find myself left incredibly (username) by the Houston’s having their son run the NY church. Great gig if you can get it, being a Houston family member.

  3. You know what gets to me? All these people wondering what’s the big deal about Hillsong.. they’re doing that very thing: making a big deal. Maybe, just maybe, these are just ordinary people who want to do what they feel God has called them to do… regardless of who their fathers happen to be. I mean, let us aim to be fair as Christians. If we think they are not doing what is right, why not pray for them and those they impact, rather than trying to discredit?

  4. I dont want to be fair as a Christian – because thats not what I FEEL God has called me to do

    I dont want pray for them and those they impact- because thats not what I FEEL God has called me to do…

    I would rather try to discredit them – because thats what I FEEL God has called me to do…

    Feelings arent really worth snot in comparison to objective truth are they?

  5. I like to try to be fair, but there is always the risk that I just FEEL I’m being fair.

    I want to be objective and I can FEEL it when I am.

    How on earth then do I really know when I’m being truly objective?

    A cheering thought for the day:

    Ecclesiastes: 1 The words of the Teacher, [a] son of David, king in Jerusalem:

    2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
    says the Teacher.
    “Utterly meaningless!
    Everything is meaningless.”

    10 Is there anything of which one can say,
    “Look! This is something new”?
    It was here already, long ago;
    it was here before our time.

    15 What is twisted cannot be straightened;
    what is lacking cannot be counted.

    17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

    18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
    the more knowledge, the more grief.

    Chapter 2

    24 A man can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction in his work. This too, I see, is from the hand of God, 25 for without him, who can eat or find enjoyment?

  6. MOSCO, Amen Brother! Amen!!! I agree with you 100%. I know and believe that’s what I’m called to do as well. I’m sure you know as many churches are starting get the gest of this so called ‘christians’, as I am an advocate of spreading the truth. One day there will be a book written about them, I hope. Hillsong is the modern day ‘money changers’ disguising themselves as Christians, when in actuality, they are nothing but wolves behind sheep’s clothing. Just look at how they are in it to market themselves, selling books, conference materials (VERY EXPENSIVE may i add), cds, in a very pleasing way to arouse the emotional levels in their audience etc.. If a church has a whole division dedicated for marketing, then that church is a business organization, and should not be called a church. The main message these people preach also sounds very strange. They preach another gospel, different from the one in the bible by twisting the scripture, and you and I both know that adding or subtracting God’s message is what we call heresy / false teaching. Have you ever tried to obtain their conference preaching materials? God’s message (if we can call it that) should be easily accessible, and should come to anyone without having to give up an arm and a leg; otherwise, it isn’t biblical to be charging who are hungry for the Word of God at a very expensive price.. This is definitely not a Christ-like church. Everything is a facade, and they boast about their humility of helping the needy, the hungry, the homeless, the orphans, but again, that too is just a facade they are putting out as an ‘image’ but their hearts.. only God can truly see their motives behind things. If you have seen them first hand, you would know that it’s all an act, part of performing on a stage, and everyone plays their part basically. I’m not even going to comment on the modesty level of their female members, that’s a whole nutha subject matter, i suppose. I guess you reap what you sow. Also, I wonder why there are no hillsong ‘church plants’ in India or Africa where it’s most needed of the gospel. Funny how these people only ‘plant’ churches in the most developed and the most glamorous of places. Just doesn’t make any sense to me one way or another. and I’ve heard their excuses, and it isn’t worth me typing them out. It’s just senseless to me. Just thought I’d share my two cents.

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