Another old Lance article from http://www.signposts2.wordpress.com:
Phil Pringle finds a new way to twist Deuteronomy
March 5, 2008
Phil Pringle/ Christian Sh*tty Church, Oxford Falls/ Sunday, March 2, 2008/ 6pm service
“We’re gonna receive our tithes and offerings right now…we’re just gonna worship the Lord (applause) with our giving.
And so if you need an envelope because you use a credit card would you raise your hand and somebody’s gonna look after you…and you’ll be able to give here tonight.
I haven’t preached around the offering for so long….I think I might have done this last week ..and ’cause I do the Centrewest thing in the morning ..I hardly ever get to talk around it these days ….and I really wanna do that….to make sure that everybody realises that this is an important part of worship …not just something we think it’s just an add-on or it’s a small part. It’s a major part of our worship. It’s the reality check on our worship. It’s where our actions match our mouth.
It’s where we put a price on our words. We’re saying praise God, worship God, we love you, we think you’re fantastic, but then it comes to this …and this is how fantastic we think God is. This is how awesome we believe He is to us. This is how thankful we are for all the things he’s done. This indicates to Him the reality of those words or the measure of those words.
In Deuteronomy 8 verse 18…it says ‘always remember that it is the Lord your God who gives you power to become rich’. This is the New Living Translation. The New King James Version says ‘the power to get wealth’. And He does it to fulfil the convenant He made with your ancestors.
It’s amazing. Here is the bible, clear and plain as day and some people would think ‘ohhh…there he is – like.. me – talking about money’…and no ..it’s the bible It’s the bible talking about it.#
And it’s just, we’re finding passages in this scripture, the same bible that saves us, gives us instructions as to how to set up our finances correctly…in life.
And this universe runs on certain laws. And whether you believe in them or not they’re still gonna work.
If you were to say to me …’well, you know, I don’t believe in gravity anymore, I just don’t believe in it….I don’t think it really is real’ and you go jump off the roof of this building …it doesn’t matter what you believe, gravity’s still gonna work. You will fall to the ground… because it’s a law…and the universe runs…….God has put systems and laws into place.
Ecclesiastes it says, ‘notice how God does things and fall into line with that.’
No use working against the laws that God has set in place. No farmer in his right mind is going to harvest in winter and sow at the end of summer. It’s known that you sow in spring….you reap a harvest …you plough in winter et cetera et cetera and you sell your product in autumn…and so the cycle goes around…it’s a system ..it’s a law. It’s how it is. And so work with it. Work with what God has put in place….don’t try and work against it.
And one of the things He’s put in place is that when you bring your tithe into the House of God…he will open the windows of heaven and blessing falls for you. It’s a law. It’s written into the Word of God…it’s written into the way the universe works.
The astonishing thing to me is to find Christians who try to explain their way out of this and try and justify a penny-pinching mindset by saying ‘ohh it doesn’t apply to us in the New Testament’ and all this kind of thing.
And at the same time you can turn on Oprah and she is advising people to give away at least 10 per cent.
You can read most financial advisers or really successful people and they’ll talk about giving is a major part of their life.
And so here’s people who don’t even know Christ who are promoting something that believers who are meant to be the most generous people on Earth…are trying to resist…because of a poverty mindset that crept into the church years ago…where the church is meant to be this hugely blessed generous outfit…blessing the world all around them.
Instead we became this penny-pinching poverty mindset outfit that’s begging on street corners to drop a few coins in a bucket.
That is not what the church is meant to be. The church is meant to be this crowd that …remembers every week that the Lord God who empowers me to get wealth in this world.
God gives you power to get wealth.
He doesn’t give you wealth…and do you know what I’d say to you if you were a bible college student? Don’t ask God to pay your fees. Pay ‘em yourself. Amen.
You say, ‘oh but I’m trusting God…believing God’. Trust Him to give you the power to get wealth.
It’d be far better for God to teach you how to fish than to actually give you a fish. It’s better for me to teach people… and you know… in these areas of how to actually run a business. That’s why organisations like Opportunity International do such a great job with these micro-loans, where they’ll help people get set up …start a business and repay the loan…..which encourages their self-esteem…let’s them understand business practice and develops a reputation for being able to repay things.
And all of that is worth way more than just a cash donation. God just doesn’t wanna give handouts, he wants to give you a hand up in life …..and so he gives you the power to get wealth. He gives you a body…He gives you breath to breathe, strength in your… a mind to think with… resources and relationships and all of these things. He doesn’t want us to be lazy and ask of Him to meet all of our needs. He says ‘go to work and I’ll bless the work of your hands’.
And then we find ourselves getting into deals and transactions and opportunities. That never would have happened unless we’d remembered God every week with our tithe.
And that’s what he’s saying, ‘remember God’. And when God says ‘remember’… it’s always to do with a sacrament… a physical landmark somewhere in our lives that makes us recall.
And so… pillars of stone that made people remember. In the New Testament we have communion, where Jesus says ‘remember me when you eat the bread and drink the cup’. It’s physical. It triggers a reminder in your thinking about how… oh this is right.
And we need reminding… some people… all they want to hear is one brand new message. Most of the time we just need to hear the same message again and get stirred about it in a fresh way…to have a revival.
And so the worst thing you can do is sit here and say ‘oh …I’ve heard that before…’ and click off.
The best thing you do is say …’revive me God to this truth… I’m … I’ve slipped a little on this….I need to come back with my tithe…I need to remember God in my money and my finances’…and you’ll set up yourself with a foundation for the future against all the kind of troubles that can come into our world.
And this is important in a world of rising interest rates. About 900 people have lost their homes in the west….out west….and the church should have something to help people with… and I gotta tell you…this will help you…it will not hurt you. God is not out to defraud you …he’s out to bless you ….so when he says ‘bring the tithe into the storehouse’ he’s encouraging us to get blessed.
Let’s take what we’ve got in our hand tonight and bring it to God.
Heavenly Father tonight I believe we’re out for a breakthrough. Lord Jesus, I believe this year will be a massive breakthrough in everybody’s life. It is you who gives us power to be blessed in this life. And I believe Lord that you’ll touch every young person every older person every man woman and child every family member in this place with an abundance in their life and unlock the storehouses of Heaven as we unlock our own storehouses down here towards you.
Heavenly Father let blessing fall in Jesus’ name …and everyone said Amen.
God bless you, thank you ushers….if you can help us out there…that’d be great.”
Length of offering talk – 7 mins 38 secs
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Lance says in response to this transcript:
“# The term translated into English as ‘wealth’ or ‘rich’ in Deuteronomy 8 is ‘chayil’ (strong’s number 2428) It’s variously translated through the bible as ‘valiant, army, forces, host, man of valour, might, misc, power, riches, strength, strong, substance, wealth..” http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/frequency.cgi?number=2428&book=de&translation=str
This is how it appears in context in Deuteronomy 8.
Deut 8:1-20 Be careful to follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and increase and may enter and possess the land that the LORD promised on oath to your forefathers. Remember how the LORD your God led you all the way in the desert these forty years, to humble you and to test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD. Your clothes did not wear out and your feet did not swell during these forty years. Know then in your heart that as a man disciplines his son, so the LORD your God disciplines you.
Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in his ways and revering him. For the LORD your God is bringing you into a good land—a land with streams and pools of water, with springs flowing in the valleys and hills; a land with wheat and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates, olive oil and honey; a land where bread will not be scarce and you will lack nothing; a land where the rocks are iron and you can dig copper out of the hills.
When you have eaten and are satisfied, praise the LORD your God for the good land he has given you. Be careful that you do not forget the LORD your God, failing to observe his commands, his laws and his decrees that I am giving you this day. Otherwise, when you eat and are satisfied, when you build fine houses and settle down, and when your herds and flocks grow large and your silver and gold increase and all you have is multiplied, then your heart will become proud and you will forget the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
He led you through the vast and dreadful desert, that thirsty and waterless land, with its venomous snakes and scorpions. He brought you water out of hard rock. He gave you manna to eat in the desert, something your fathers had never known, to humble and to test you so that in the end it might go well with you. You may say to yourself, “My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.” But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.
If you ever forget the LORD your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed. Like the nations the LORD destroyed before you, so you will be destroyed for not obeying the LORD your God.”
So, according to Deuteronomy 8, does God give the power to have (military supremacy and) wealth?
Absolutely. But verse 3 also says ‘He humbled you, causing you to hunger ….’
The point of Chapter 8 is not guiding principles on how to attain wealth, but a reminder that God is in charge, whether we have become wealthy or are going hungry.
This is the exact opposite of Pringle’s preaching that the ability to get wealth is in our own hands.”