Run From The Hills – Away From Hill$ong

Brian Houston tweets:

Miracles are all about moving you, & positioning you for blessing. -They position you to BE a blessing.

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From: http://twitter.com/BrianCHouston/status/1724212741939201

It may also be worth bookmarking this site: http://hillsongcollected.com/

Hillsong collected is a blog which collects the thoughts and stories of various Hillsong church leaders from around the world. I am sure this will be very insightful. Email me any interesting information that pops up that you think is worth noting.

The reason why is because you can read Houston’s pointless comments here:

The Mentality of A CROWD vs. The Spirit of THE CHURCH

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25 August, 2010

Hillsong Conference 2010 was just over one month ago, we have moved well into the second half of this year and I am filled with anticipation, expectation and belief that God is going to do something fresh and new in all of our lives.

Each year, our guests travel from all over the world and our selfless armies of volunteers welcome and serve thousands of people, as we once again gather to be equipped and refreshed together and move into this new decade worshipping our worthy King.

Hillsong Conference has always been and continues to be about the local church. The hours of preparation that go into this conference are always upheld by a love for the diversity of churches all across the globe and a mentality of serving, loving and championing our differences while unifying under a higher purpose – the cause of Christ on the Earth.

And after the last note has sounded, the last Acer Arena staff member has left and locked up and the last delegate flies home, it is what we take from this experience that will shape the decisions and ultimately the future, as we move into the rest of this year. If we focus on the lights, and the noise, the long toilet queues and the crowds, and we miss the heart behind all the great speakers, the incredible moments of worship and the heartfelt creative displays – then we will fail to unlock the potential and momentum that is on this conference to launch us into an incredible future.

Since Conference ended, I have been meditating on this thought: The mentality of a crowd is so different to the spirit of The Church. Through the years, Hillsong Conference and Churches across the globe have gathered ‘crowds’ of people through the diligence and hard work of many, but mainly through the favour and blessing of a gracious God.

If we work all year round simply to draw a ‘crowd’ to our church services or events, (and I’m not talking about a large group of people, because Thank God for the opportunity we get to share with many, many people each week) then we have missed the point. When the spirit of The Church leans towards the mentality of a crowd, then we begin to move backwards….

I’d love to expand on this thought a bit more in my next post. Until then, I pray that if you attended Hillsong Conference this year, you left with the spirit of The Church. A spirit that goes back to your local church and doesn’t criticize or downplay, but one that builds up and encourages. I pray that as we gather ‘crowds’ to our weekend services, our connect groups and at various events, we stop and look around, determining in our own lives to never take for granted the opportunities that are ahead of us to show the world a unified and united front. I pray that whether you are surrounded by multitudes, cramped into a city apartment or meeting secretly with one or two believers in a Christ-opposing nation – that the Spirit of God will touch you, and you will never be the same….

What are your thoughts? Do you think there is a difference between the mentality of a crowd and the Spirit of the Church? Do you ever struggle to differentiate between the two? Would love to hear what you think….

Love, Brian

To read part two of this blog ‘A Church ‘Crowd’ Pt 2′ click here.

Take note above that Brian Houston says ‘I pray that if you attended Hillsong Conference this year, you left with the spirit of The Church. A spirit that goes back to your local church and doesn’t criticize or downplay, but one that builds up and encourages’. At least we know now this flattering spirit isn’t the Godly Holy Spirit. He emphasises this in bold: The mentality of a crowd is so different to the spirit of The Church. This could be quite possibly a typo. But it may not be:

Read Lances article here on Hillsong: http://groupsects.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/brian-houston-cares-about-cash-strapped-families-no-he-really-does/

Many questions can be asked that Brian Houston raises in part 2 of his article.

If you would be keen to see what Chris Rosebrough says on Brian Houston, go here to download his podcast:

http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/2010/08/hillsong-heresy-an-example-of.html


22 thoughts on “Run From The Hills – Away From Hill$ong

  1. This is Part 2:

    A Church ‘Crowd’ Pt 2
    Posted by: Brian Houston
    29 September, 2010

    Moving forward from my last post, many of you know that on top of being a church leader, I am also a sports lover. What I’ve learned in my years of watching and attending countless sporting events is that the mentality of a crowd can be fickle

    To read part one ‘The Mentality of THE CROWD vs The Spirit of THE CHURCH’ click here.

    Moving forward from my last post, many of you know that on top of being a church leader, I am also a sports lover. What I’ve learned in my years of watching and attending countless sporting events is that the mentality of a crowd can be fickle – but the ‘crowd’ that gathers on a Sunday in church, or at a week-long conference, or in a crowded city connect group with the ‘Spirit of the Church’ has great purpose!

    The Bible gives us so many examples about the difference between the spirit of a crowd and the spirit of the Church. When a crowd is simply just being a crowd, they can so often be full of conflicting opinions and attitudes (Luke 19.37)…one moment, the entire crowd can be cheering the referee for a great decision and the next they are shouting him down and trying to run him out of town! Though the Church worldwide carries many different opinions, the spirit of it is consistent and accommodating, mindful of others and has an attitude that puts YOU and YOUR CHURCH before ME and MINE.

    The mentality of a crowd can be stingy, but the when the Church is being the Church, it has an increasingly generous spirit. Sporting crowds can be so loud, boisterous, full of dissention, not conscious of others, and brimming with differing opinions – yet opinion doesn’t build anything. Matthew 27 shows us how crowds are easily led to poor choices – they follow trends and reach out for what is popular; whereas the church is called to move towards the down and out, those who are lost, the unlovely, unpopular and the broken. When the church is being the church and not just being a crowd, they are resilient, focused on the goal, loyal and undaunted by the challenges and even persecution that they can often face.

    Throughout the years, I have had the privilege of participating in some of the largest conferences across the globe and also some of the small, grassroots gatherings of newly planted churches. What our own team is doing right now in NYC is building connect groups, taking their faith to the street and starting with nothing but a ‘whatever it takes’ attitude and a whole lot of enthusiasm. Just last month, in a small apartment in Manhattan, I gathered with dozens of people – excited, expectant and alive with anticipation. Now, this little apartment may have been ‘crowded’, but inside that crowded apartment what I saw was the Spirit of The Church!

    Let’s never take for granted the PEOPLE that God has entrusted to our leadership, and lets never fail to see the INDIVIDUAL in a crowd. When the Church is BEING THE CHURCH (and not just being the church crowd) we will see a momentum and a spirit that attracts others and gains Godly and unexplainable influence.

    I pray that this week as you gather anywhere in the name of Christ, in large arenas or backyard gardens, that you will gather with the ‘Spirit of the Church’ and receive a renewed vision and passion that impacts people for years to come…

    Where we are going is not where we have been before…I can’t wait.

    Love, Brian

  2. From the comments:

    Darren said, on August 26, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    I love this blog, great to know we have up and coming Journo’s in our church.
    Thanks and if you want to volunteer in our media and writing team we have a spot for you:-)

    Darren Kitto

    So expect brainwashed journalists to try to make Hillsong look good. Scroll further down, a wise crack ‘journalist’ is advertising her blog on Hillsong, promoting leaders to read her article here: http://holymomentum.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/hillsong-its-whatever-you-let-it-be/

    I saw that Newtaste commented on it already. I strongly suggest that if you comment on Signposts02, you do not communicate to other blogs under your username. They can see your IP address. I have heard of people getting in trouble from Hillsong and C3 because they have blogged on both Signposts02 and Groupsects.

    Please be careful!

  3. Darren Kitto also writes here: http://hillsongcollected.com/collected-for-you

    Ending this big weekend is our annual LIVE album recording at the Sydney Entertainment Centre in Darling Harbour.

    It’s a sad time we live in when the church worships itself to make God look good. Even Babylon or the Pope could get lessons from Hillsong to prosper – and Jesus wouldn’t care. Both C3 and Hillsong have aimed to be recognised as prosperous movements in the business and artistic world. They want the world (just like other churches) to look to them, follow them and join them.

    Do you know what bible called Israel when they behaved like this? A whore. The spirituality of Hillsong and C3 have sunk to new depths:

    Jeremiah 2:33 “How you plot and scheme to win your lovers. Even an experienced prostitute could learn from you!”

    I’m seeing this verse being fulfilled in the church today. Something needs to be done.

  4. “I saw that Newtaste commented on it already. I strongly suggest that if you comment on Signposts02, you do not communicate to other blogs under your username. They can see your IP address. I have heard of people getting in trouble from Hillsong and C3 because they have blogged on both Signposts02 and Groupsects.”
    Whooo weeee – that is scary…I hope I am doing enough to keep my details private…

  5. Hi Speccygirl – I haven’t a clue who you are & welcome! Take a deep breath and enter the fray. 🙂

    You can be a calvinist, arminian or a plank of wood – all welcome here, right NewSong?

  6. ‘They can see your IP address’

    This of course is mere scaremongering, and conspiracy theory.

    Even if they can see your IP address, it will usually only reference your ISP (Internet Service Provider), and not the details of actual person using the IP address. Most ISP’s will only release details of their clients with a court order. They have strict security criteria.

    The only way you might be detected is if you are using a company IP on a company server, but thais hardly your home address is it!

    Of course, an expert hacker might get through, but they are few and far between, and not in the least bit interested in what goes on on these kinds of site.

    I think someone is watching too many spooks movies!

    I hope that alleviates your fears, speccygirl.

  7. Hi Speccygirl – I have no idea who you are either.

    Teddy, the plank of wood option sounds appealing to me! 🙂

  8. @RP – All credit for “plank of wood” goes to my favourite teacher Jim McClarty. That’s what he calls himself, as a sovereign grace guy who hates labels.

  9. Great article Teddy – I liked this:
    “Rick Warren is the anointed leader of America’s “People of Faith” and, for the time being, Orange county crowds are flocking to Saddleback’s dull preaching halls”

    Has anyone ever heard of Joseph Parker and his famous “Parker’s People’s Bible” -it was the “Message Bible” of its day authored by Evangeligal Superstar Joseph Parker – one of CH Spurgeons contemporaries…

    “Parker pastored in London for 33 years, and his preaching drew crowds that regularly numbered in the thousands. In his day, Parker was practically as famous as Spurgeon and would have been deemed by most of their contemporaries as more cutting-edge, more influential, and certainly more sophisticated than Spurgeon. Naturally, Parker appealed to a younger savvy generation.”…..

    “Most of all, Parker strove to be stylish. He openly attended the theatre in an era when London theatre was considered shockingly bawdy by most evangelicals. Those and other aspects of Parker’s lifestyle and public behavior struck Spurgeon as worldly and unbecoming for a minister.”…..

    “Spurgeon was nearing the end of his life and ministry. The dominant opinions among British evangelicals had already turned against Spurgeon. He was already perceived as a theological dinosaur, because of his unbending commitment to the old doctrines…..”

    “By contrast, most Christians considered Parker the epitome of forward-thinking evangelicalism. He was trendy, he shaved the corners off unpleasant truths, he bent the message as much as possible to contextualize his preaching and placate the spirit of the age.”

    “But more than a hundred years later, Spurgeon still speaks to our generation. By contrast, Parker’s sermons, so stylish in their time, sound terribly quaint today. What seemed so advanced and trendy in Victorian times is so outdated nowadays that almost no one reads Parker anymore.”

    Does anyone remember Joseph Parker………

  10. @5point – now that’s a first, I’ve never heard of him. But now in reading about Spurgeon’s later days, he had to deal with the downgrade controversy following hard on Parker’s “heels”.

    Funny, they claimed Spurgeon would soon be forgotten. How many have remembered Parker?

  11. @teddy…’is this the future for C3/Hillsong?’

    It is a concern for any movement, or growing Christian entity, of course, and quite a good question to ask.

    I would see C3 as a movement which has already outgrown its main leader, and is more likely to succeed in the long term. There are also a number of key leaders who have been developed from within the movement. It has momentum outside of its ‘mothership’.

    Hillsong seems to be developing in a similar way, although with a different strategy. It also has the strength of being part of ACC as well as its own movement, so it has a larger pool to draw from in the future.

    Movements turn into monuments when they fail to plan succession and growth beyond the pioneers. COC and CRC have been through similar growth pains, having been started earlier in the piece, and had to replace pioneer leaders.

    The Crystal Cathedral, however, relied on family succession, and the charisma of the founding leader, but he grew too old to sustain the momentum, and his successor wanted to change the strategy. It was too much of a singular entity, with reliance on a singular personality.

    In the end, though, all things change over time. Look at Methodism. Wesley was a key leader of a growing movement, which has morphed into a monument. The focus should always be on Jesus. These movements, wheels with a great Wheel, will come and go, and from time to time throw up some great surges, but, in the end, it is steady progression of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ which wins the prize.

  12. I just spilled my coffe on myself…thanks. Quite an enigma Brian Houston is. But what i fear most if the bad theology and word of faith mixed with prosperity gospel….it will be the downfall of many a pandering pastor.

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