Mary, Mary…

The ABC reports on the first blessing of the new pope.

Pope Francis, the former Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina, delivered his first blessing and message to Rome and the world about an hour after his election as successor of Benedict XVI.

Here is a transcript of his first words as Pope as translated from Italian:

“Brothers and sisters, good evening.

“You know that the duty of the conclave was to give a bishop to Rome. It seems that my brother cardinals went almost to the end of the world to get him. But here we are.

“I thankyou for this welcome by the diocesan community of Rome to its bishop. Thank you.

“First of all, I would like to say a prayer for our bishop emeritus, Benedict XVI. Let us all pray together for him, let us all pray together for him so that the Lord my bless him and that the Madonna may protect him.”

(The new pope then prayed the Lord’s Prayer, the Hail Mary and the Glory Be with the crowd in Italian.)

He then continued:

“And now, let us start this journey, bishop and people, bishop and people, this journey of the Church of Rome, which leads all the churches in charity, a journey of fraternity, of love, of trust among us.

“Let us always pray for us, one for the other, let us pray for the whole world, so that there may be a great fraternity.

“I hope that this journey of the church that we begin today and which my cardinal vicar, who is here with me, will help me with, may be fruitful for the evangelisation of this beautiful city.

“Now, I would like to give you a blessing, but first I want to ask you for a favour. Before the bishop blesses the people, I ask that you pray to the Lord so that he blesses me.

“This is the prayer of the people who are asking for the blessing of their bishop.

“In silence, let us say this prayer of you for me.”

(After a few seconds of silent prayer, he then delivered his blessing).

He then concluded:

“Now, I will give you and the whole world a blessing, to all men and women of good will. Tomorrow I want to go to pray to the Madonna so that she protects all of Rome. Good night and have a good rest.”

So there you have it, Roman Catholic supporters, a return to Marian prayer and a papal decree to pray to the Madonna to protect all of Rome.

Powerless prayer
Marian prayers and silence, a sure way to maintain a blanket of superstition and religious emptiness in a spiritually vacant church. Remove the ability to pray to the Father in the name of Jesus, and you have silenced over a billion Catholics in your very first speech. Nothing like declaring yourself from the outset.

Actually, I don’t really know if it is a return to Mary and silent prayer. Maybe nothing really changes with Rome and they never went away from Mary. Expect a mention of the Fifth Marian Dogma very soon. That should please some folk at Signposts02!

Sin of omission
But you know, I’ll watch this with interest amongst the watchers, because there was a very significant omission form the opening speech of Francis 1, and I’ll be expecting someone to pick it up very quickly and point out why it is significant, because, if a Pentecostal pastor missing this out, even in a short greeting to his flock, there would be at least three full page spreads from the watchers, and they would be decried as false prophets, apostasy and cultish.

Let’s see who picks it up first!

 


51 thoughts on “Mary, Mary…

  1. Nice to see a Pope from the Americas. Amazing to see the scenes at the Vatican. Catholic fervor is alive and well.

    As for internet commentators, they all have their pet hates.
    Bones is offended by Westboro Baptist, child molesters and cooking shows, but defends Roman Catholic theology – even though he still hasn’t become Catholic……….

    Others are just against certain charismatic churches which they watch like hawks for reasons only known to themselves.

    And others are against just about every church.

    I don’t pray to Mary, would never teach people to pray to Mary, and don’t see the point in doing so.

    Still, the Catholic Church does a lot of good in the world, and continues to do so. Just heard that more than 30% of medical institutions in the world are run by the Catholic Church.

    So, congratulations to any Catholics reading.

  2. Actually, I was thinking the same thing Greg.

    Seems like it was a well received choice. They’ll probably be partying up in Argentina!

  3. Argentine Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio has been elected as the 266th pope of the Roman Catholic church.

    The 76-year-old has taken the papal name Francisco, and will be known as Pope Francis I.

    Here are 10 things you need to know about the new pontiff.

    1. Jorge Mario Bergoglio was born on December 17, 1936, in Buenos Aires, Aregntina.

    2. The son of an Italian immigrant and railway worker, he is the first non-European and first Jesuit pope.

    3. He has spent nearly his entire career at home in Argentina, overseeing churches and priests. His outspoken criticism of president Cristina Fernandez couldn’t prevent Argentina from becoming the Latin American country to legalise gay marriage, or stop Fernandez from promoting free contraception and artificial insemination.

    4. He studied philosophy at the Colegio Máximo San José and went on to teach literature and psychology at the Colegio de la Inmaculada in Santa Fe, and the Colegio del Salvador in Buenos Aires.

    5. Cardinal Bergoglio was ordained to the priesthood on December 13, 1969 by Archbishop Ramón José Castellano

    6. He had a lung removed when he was a teenager due to an infection.

    7. Cardinal Bergoglio participated in the 2005 papal conclave which elected Pope Benedict XVI following the death of Pope John Paul II. He came close to becoming pope last time, gaining the second-highest vote total in several rounds of voting before he bowed out of the running in the conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI.

    8. He has served as the Bishop of Buenos Aires since 1998 and became a cardinal in 2001. Bergoglio is also known for modernising an Argentine church that had been among the most conservative in Latin America.

    9. Cardinal Bergoglio firmly opposed abortion and euthanasia. He also adheres to the Roman Catholic teachings regarding homosexuality but teaches the importance of respecting individuals who are homosexual.

    10. The Cardinal has a reputation for humility. His personal style is the antithesis of Vatican splendour, living in a small apartment instead of a grander bishop’s residence. He often rode the bus to work, cooked his own meals and regularly visited the slums that ring Argentina’s capital.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/pope-francis-i-everything-you-1761666

  4. Sadly in South America even the clergy are divided. I was happy when I heard about this appointment but, like El Salvador’s treatment of the martyr Oscar Romero, there were many clergy who sided with right wing fascist regimes and discriminated against their fellow clergy who worked with the poor.

    I was worried where this new Pope would sit.

    It hasn’t taken long to find out.

    Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio, 73, has been identified as a collaborator of the dirty war of the military dictatorship (1976-1983), as it has been accused of betrayal of two subordinates priests in the Society of Jesuits 18 .

    In 2010 , the journalist Sergio Rubin wrote a book called The Jesuit in terms of “a complaint newspaper published a few years ago in Buenos Aires.” Referred to the journalist Horacio Verbitsky in daily Pagina 12 of 25 April 1999 and 9 May 1999, more than three books.On another note, while Bergoglio denies maimed documents to cover up his attitude collaborator with the dictatorship, Verbitsky published the original documents and the facsimile of the book so that readers could compare.19

    A posteriori, five testimonies of priests and theologians confirm the role of Cardinal during the military dictatorship in Argentina in the disappearance of priests and supported the dictatorial repression. The witnesses are a priest and a former priest, a theologian, a layman of a secular fraternity who denounced the Vatican what happened in Argentina in 1976 and a layman who was kidnapped and tortured along with two priests who did not reappear. 20

    http://fintandunne.blogspot.com.au/2013/03/new-pope-wants-his-argentine-human.html

  5. I am impressed bones! Good work!
    I wonder what (if any) influence this bloke had during the “Revival” in Argentina during the ’90’s? I had certainly never heard of him before, but I am not Catholic, so most of what happens in Vatican City doesn’t really hold much interest for me.

    By the way, this bloke is the 11th non-European pope:

    1) Saint Peter: Bethsaida, modern-day Israel(33 – 64 A.D.)
    2) Pope Saint Evaristus: Bethlehem, modern-day West Bank (97 – 105)
    3) Pope Saint Anicetus: Emesa (today known as Homs), Syria (155 – 166)
    4) Pope Saint Victor I: Leptis Magna, modern-day Libya (189 – 199)
    5) Pope Saint Miltiades: Somewhere in North Africa (311 – 314)
    6) Pope Theodore I: Jerusalem, modern-day Israel and West Bank (642 – 649)
    7) Pope John V: Antioch, then Syria but today part of Turkey (685 – 686)
    8) Pope Sisinnius: Syria (708)
    9) Pope Constantine: Syria (708 – 715)
    10) Pope Gregory III: Syria (731 – 741)

    But he is the first non-European pope in nearly 1300 years!

  6. Don’t see why you are impressed. A typical copy and paste job, but has Bones read much on the topic. Does he know his defence?

    Does he have any idea of the issues involved and the difficulties faced by priests in Argentina?

    I suggest Bones and others read up more on Pope Francis. And also think a little more about what they would have done in the same situation.

    Easy to sit back in Australia, read a few criticisms and condemn.

  7. Too true Q! (Try saying that after a couple of glasses of red!)

    I didn’t see Pope Frank on any of Ed Silvoso’s guest lists. I am getting a bit of an uneasy feeling about this bloke though, not really sure why, but something about him and (maybe) Obama is making me feel a bit nervous.

    What Bones impressed me about is how quickly he managed to find great swathes of information about Pope Frank! I had a bit of a look but didn’t find too much about him in the short time between getting home from work and looking up my favourite Christian blog-spot. I guess if I didn’t have a real job, like Bones, I could waste most of my time searching the net for things to cut and paste.

    I wonder if “Bones” is a legitimate name for the Pontiff? “Pope Bones…” Nah, doesn’t work for me…

  8. Joe, no it’s very easy. Bones has had a lot of practice. He didn’t get those points from different places. Look up where he copies from and you’ll usually see that they’re from a the same kind of places.

  9. “Sanitised
    [low-life abusive language and content removed]”

    lol

    That should have started a long time ago. But, will any of Greg’s posts appear?

  10. Steve if you want to play that game….excellent….game on. But just remember…in my posts it’s my rules…

  11. Awww diddums Greg is upset that Steve is giving him a taste of his own medicine. You watch Greg now – deleting every post on his own threads that don’t follow his jaundiced view of the world from now on to prove a dumb juvenile point. Oh, wait – he already does that! Silly me! Of course that will leave only his and Bones comments. Primary School antics. You must be so proud.

  12. The Vatican buildings are so beautiful. And this white smoke/ black smoke stuff is pretty cool.

    Great to see people of so many countries gathering with their flags and showing genuine affection for the Pope. I don’t understand it at all, but it’s interesting to watch.

  13. Praying to Madonna?mmmm, I would have thought they would be turning to someone that was born this way, like Lady GaGa.

    { And this white smoke/ black smoke stuff is pretty cool. }

    Next Pope should be Cheech or Chong.

  14. It’s not a game, Greg. There’s no reason to let ad hominem foul language get through on these posts. I’m hoping you’re better than that.

  15. There is always someone better than you Steve.
    You should consider others better then yourself.
    Hope you are well Steve.
    Get better soon.

  16. Nonsense, Eyes, we’re all equal in the eyes of the One Who is Higher than All.

    I was talking about behaviour, not position.

  17. 5In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

    6Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
    7rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
    8And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
    even death on a cross!

  18. You blessing, Steve!! I think you helped Greg temper his expression against Q, and possibly saved his job.

    You make me happy. You really are kind!

    I hope you will positively adjust this comment, being a sensible person.

  19. @Greg

    As someone who had several posts of mine deleted by you for no other reason than you disagreed with what I was saying, I suggest you grow some balls and act like a man. Your childish tantrum above just proves you to be an immature little bully-boy, throwing out school yard taunts like a ten year old.

  20. @Steve

    I don’t know about you, but I cannot help but laugh at Greg’s unbelievable hypocrisy regarding you censoring his posts. As you know, you, me and Ian were all at the receiving end of Greg’s childish attempts to censor our opinions. I had at least ten posts deleted simply because Greg didn’t like my opinion. At least your reasons for deleting his bile is based upon decency and good taste, in contrast to Greg’s reasons, which were based upon pride, self righteousness, bigotry, hatred and immaturity.

  21. Well, let’s get this straight, once and for all. I removed one sentence from this thread from Greg in which he knowingly drove over the edge with a spiteful invective aimed at Q. It was unkind and unnecessary. He did it to test the waters using an expletive I have already said I find both derogatory and offensive.

    If wazza wants to make a stupid issue of this and Greg wants to seek revenge, when all I have done is prevent Greg from being a foul mouthed moron in public whilst using a work email, then maybe in future I’ll leave his brainless expletives up, so if his emails are checked at work, his job is thrown into jeopardy.

    Of course, being a well known Christian charity organisation, they may not mind what he writes about over there, but I doubt it very much.

    I’m more protecting him than censoring him, but if he prefers taking the risk, well let’s go for it!

    This comment may self-destruct some time in the future depending on how this conversation progresses.

  22. @Steve

    I have wondered what his church would think if they saw what he writes here and his stinking attitude towards so much of the bible that his Anglican Church holds so dear. The fact that they allow him to speak into people’s lives in his church is very scary (and not just in a worldly sense – there are very serious spiritual consequences for a minister or leader who leads people astray), particularly when you consider his irrational hatred of Pentecostal ministers and his criticism of their supposed “heresy”. His hypocrisy is simply astounding. But then, hypocrisy is the standard modus operandi of the left, the humanists and the atheists, so I shouldn’t really be surprised

  23. But, look, wazza, where were you when Greg was deleting all and sundry at will?

    Is it only those you support biblically, socially or politically that you are interested in defending? Are you demonstrating partiality, here?

    Or does your defence include the justice you worship by displaying equality for all sides?

    Surely you should equally defend Ian, Roundhouse and PhilipGeorge, who have been not only heavily censored, but verily cut asunder in commentary, on occasion, simply because Greg doesn’t like them.

    Now he gets one snip because he hit below the belt and you’re in like Flynn.

    I’m starting to think you might have a few biases after all, wazza.

  24. You’re a [really nice bloke] Roundhouse.

    I’m sure his congregation would be far more impressed if he was embezzling millions of his churches money while conning them to give more till it hurts like we see in Pentecostal churches. They’d give him a 10 minute standing ovation and kick out the whistleblowers.

    Some of us have a passion for truth (ergo study of the scriptures) and social justice which obviously you don’t share.

  25. Bones,
    Philip George is a bigot and is only posting on one thread on his pet topic of demonising muslims.

    Maybe, Bones, but, on that basis, you’re a bigot and pasting everywhere you can anything you can against Pentecostal churches, money, and prosperity teaching. You’re a walking, talking hate machine when it comes to mega-churches. So don’t come the bigot thing with Philip George when you display the same tendencies in other areas.

    Greg’s misdemeanours have been numerous in the last fortnight, and yet you defend him over one sliced up comment, whilst fervently denying Philip George the right to be wrong, even though he argues in an articulate way, with plenty of evidence and without resorting to foul language.

    You have also been allowed to have the right to be wrong on numerous occasions, and to express yourself in very strong terms. Just because you disagree with a person doesn’t mean you cant; defend their right to be able to passionately convey their perspective.

    And there are no rules about which threads we choose to be interested in.

  26. I see you’re in your usual corner trampling on the gospel, defending bigotry and mistruths.

    : with plenty of evidence” – All rebutted such as his lies on the origin of the word Allah, a term which predates Islam as the Christian Arabic term for God.

    “and without resorting to foul language.”
    Well, therefore he wins.

    The fact that his argument and bigotry is obscene is irrelevant

    Hitler didn’t swear either.

  27. Yes, well, rebutted evidence is still evidence of a sort, and I’m sure he will come back with a counter, even if it is wrong, as you have discovered over the harpazo and resurrection thread, which you still avoid. You consider what you have said to be evidence. I consider it rebutted. You became silent. I win? Maybe not, because arguments are not won because someone runs out of answers, only when the truth is revealed.

    Foul speech always loses! As does stand over tactics. Just ask Zorro and C3CW as they continue to bully the ladies at their own expense on the ‘watcher’ sites. Hilarious!

    Reason is inevitably destroyed by bad manners.

  28. People crave strong leadership. That’s why weak Government, such as we have today, is so dangerous.

  29. Been teaching this to my primary school kids

    “The goal of argumentative writing is to persuade your audience that your ideas are valid, or more valid than someone else’s. The Greek philosopher Aristotle divided the means of persuasion, appeals, into three categories–Ethos, Pathos, Logos.

    Ethos (Credibility), or ethical appeal, means convincing by the character of the author. We tend to believe people whom we respect. One of the central problems of argumentation is to project an impression to the reader that you are someone worth listening to, in other words making yourself as author into an authority on the subject of the paper, as well as someone who is likable and worthy of respect.

    Pathos (Emotional) means persuading by appealing to the reader’s emotions. We can look at texts ranging from classic essays to contemporary advertisements to see how pathos, emotional appeals, are used to persuade. Language choice affects the audience’s emotional response, and emotional appeal can effectively be used to enhance an argument.

    Logos (Logical) means persuading by the use of reasoning. This will be the most important technique we will study, and Aristotle’s favorite. We’ll look at deductive and inductive reasoning, and discuss what makes an effective, persuasive reason to back up your claims. Giving reasons is the heart of argumentation, and cannot be emphasized enough. We’ll study the types of support you can use to substantiate your thesis, and look at some of the common logical fallacies, in order to avoid them in your writing”

    http://courses.durhamtech.edu/perkins/aris.html

  30. You will find Roundhouse that I am referring to the fact that I will swear all I like on my own threads and Steve, yourself and anyone else who gets more upset about the ‘F’ word than any of the other disgusting things we see Houston, Pringle etc say and do can go bite each other on the arse. On my threads, my rules are in effect…and I will respect Steve’s rules for his threads….I expect him to do the same for mine. I have every right to delete whomever and whatever I want on my threads.

    Steve thank you so much for saving my job…the fact that I registered on WordPress with my work email has no connection whatsoever with anything. I don’t post via email…and in anycase I no longer even work for that particular charity…who may well be well known…but are also led by a charlatan who uses an honorary Phd as if he’d earnt it!

  31. I find it so funny that Greg sells himself as a “relationship coach”. What do you teach people Greg, how to destroy relationships and act like a foul mouthed bully?

  32. Oh, and Steve, Greg has well and truly distanced himself from his former employer. You should see how he is slagging them off on twitter for supposedly not giving enough notice for the eviction of a tenant in one of their buildings in Newcastle. Talk about burning bridges!

  33. A personal point of view, I know, but I don’t think Greg should post under his former employer’s email address if he is going to criticise them publicly. That seems somewhat callous and insensitive.

    Oh, well, Greg, I’d say you feel it’s OK to use whatever means you deem fit to mouth off obscenities, and you’re happy to do it regardless of who employs you or who is under your supervision and care.

    Which is odd, given that you publicise your ministry here and it would be a simple matter for your clients to come here and see how you apply your ‘relationship coach’ methods, especially with those you disagree with.

    I also observe that Bones is teaching young people how to debate issues with others, but when you compare this to the methods he uses you see a strong disparity between the two.

    Those are very interesting anomalies.

    I guess leading by example isn’t what it used to be.

  34. Greg,
    I have every right to delete whomever and whatever I want on my threads.

    You do? I think that’s a matter for conjecture amongst the fraternity here, really. Obviously, having your finger on the trigger gives you a high level of responsibility, but if you convert it into dominating power you are creating an unpleasant environment.

    I agree there are times to moderate folk’s writing, but it is hugely unacceptable to delete comments because you simply don’t like a person. That is beyond the pale.

    This is a corporate blog with many different opinions expressed, not Greg’s personal one-eyed love-fest.

  35. Now this is going to sound strange coming from me – but then again not, if you watch my comments.

    I have no problem with anyone deleting any of my comments. So if Greg deletes my comments, I won’t really get upset with that. I’d hope that he would be consistent, but moderators make decisions all the time.

    I’ve also made it very clear what I think about bad language. Obviously Greg and Bones disagree with me. But there are lots of people on their side.

    Not trying to sound too spiritual about this, (because maybe the real reason is that I have alzheimers…??), but I don’t have any hard feelings towards Greg and his telling me to F off. Basically forgotten about it.

    I also think it’s fine for Steve to delete posts on the basis of bad language. If I had it my way, I’d have all the Fwords deleted.

    As for the relationship coach thing, none of us are perfect. And often we learn best when we teach others.

    There are a lot of wounded healers out there. Which is another reason why I end up sticking up for the Pringles, and Houstons and Popes of this world. Hate on someone and you’ll find stuff to criticize them about. And some criticism just seems relentless.

    Oh just read Steve’s last line. Yeah, I don’t agree with deleting comments from people you don’t like -or opinions. But, in the end, if they are the rules, so be it. Probably doesn’t matter so much anyway.

    I doubt whether in 200 years they’ll be doing PhDs on “The Influence of Singposts02 on Evangelical Christianity in the Early 21st Century”.

    Or will they…?

  36. You’re truly a nob Steve – I don’t post under their email – their email doesn’t even come into it…no-one sees it…its not a public thing..I coudl change my email to blahdibla@gmail.com and no one would know. The only reason you know is because you have admin rights. I don;t even know what your point is

  37. Roundhouse i find it so funny that you care so much about me that you stalk me on the interwebs…and all this because I use the F word? you’re an idiot, you truly are. The only reaason you are even able to stalk me on the interwebs is because i don’t hide myself behind a pseudonym – I am who I am – now the way I am here is entirely separate to the way I am in the real world – we’ve had this discussion – this is sport – entertainment. I’m not sure what you are trying to get at with your comment – other than to try to intimidate me with your ‘secret’ knowledge about me – “Oooh Greg, I konw stuff about you from your real life…better watch out!” Just like you did with your “witch comments” threatening to tell my church and employers what I say on line here where we all use totally or in my case close to) pseudonyms to hide our real selves. Steve is the only one here who is who he is.

    And the reason Steve i do;nt change my email is because when I do I lose the pretty picture of the explorer

  38. I had at least ten posts deleted simply because Greg didn’t like my opinion.

    Thats bullcrap – you know why I deleted your comments – I sent you an email off line about it adn you responded, so let’s not pretend I deleted for no reason. Ian was getting stupid adn deserved to be deleted. pedoGeorge is just being racist and i deleted his racist comments.

  39. Grow up, Greg. That’s basically what people are saying to you. Grow up. All your baby talk cuss words and macho man sliming of people make you look like a naff teen on steroids. Maybe you’re going through a mid-life crisis or something, or you wear the hard man bikie image a bit to close to your sleeve. As teens would say, ‘whatever’. Get over it and grow up.
    ________________________

    Meanwhile.

    It appears that, as intimated by the name, Francis 1 wants the catholic church to be a ‘poor church for the poor’. This should be interesting, since the Jesuit and Franciscan vows of poverty mean the poor and disenfranchised have to support the monks who don’t do any work.

    i wonder how long it will be before they’re asking the penitent to crawl on their hands and knees up the Vatican steps.

    The first thing he did was go to the nearest Mary worship chapel and kneel before the madonna in a photo-shoot for the world’s press.

    Most teens and twenties think Madonna is a singing hoar.

    So catholics are being asked to live in penury and worship the goddess.

    Nothing changes really in the catholic setup. All hope of revision is gone within the first week.

  40. @Greg

    Firstly, I had about 4 comments deleted BEFORE you deleted my comments about the whole witch thing. Now, I have no problem with those witch ones being deleted. Those comments were not helpful, but, remember, they were written as a humourous dig at something you said, although understandably, the joke was lost on you. I apologised and thought nothing more of it. But you continued to delete my stuff, while at the same time continuing your extremely un-Christlike language and, quite frankly, bizzare behaviour. I thought a reminder that you were supposed to be a leader and someone who speaks into people’s lives might jolt you back into reality, so I stupidly suggested I was going to inform your employer and church about the real Greg. As I told you, both on here but also privately, I would never have really done it. It was simply a shallow comment aimed at, well, shutting your evil side up. It was not a wise thing to say, and I have apologised. But, you still continued to delete many of my posts, not to mention deleting Ian’s posts as well. And your comments that replaced them showed us why you deleted them – because you don’t like us. It was an immature thing to do to both Ian and I, and so Steve and I are calling you on it. Act like a man and admit that you went too far, and stop whinging about the same thing happening to you. Steve is well within his rights to delete your foul language. It’s not funny, it’s not edifying, and it’s not Christian. Deal with it.

    As for my mentioning your real life, think about it. It is YOU who are doing the wrong thing by being so unChristlike here. It is YOU who runs the risk of someone from your church discovering what kind of person you really are by stumbling upon your foul language here. It is YOU who has to suffer the spiritual consequences of misleading someone through your “leadership”. Now, I simply googled Greg The Explorer and found your twitter. I’m sure at least some of your 440 followers are from your church. What if they googled your name and came here? Would you be proud to say “yep, that’s me! I said all those things. I swear like a trooper. But I’m different in real life”? Do you think they’d believe you, or would they read the abuse, the intimidation, the rejection of most of the bible and come to the conclusion that the real you is displayed here? I believe the latter. I believe the real you is displayed in all his unChristlike glory for all to see right here on signposts. So it is you who will have to suffer the consequences if that occurs. Think about that.

  41. I dunno, Roundhouse. I like to think Greg is a really great bloke in real life, doing a great job with kids doing it tough, having come from a similar background and being able to identify with them. Cn’t b an easy job, either, if you’ve ever worked with dysfunctional teens out in the real world, so probably heaps of frustrations.

    But the blog persona is another Greg getting things off his hairy biker chest. The only problem with that is he takes it out on people as entertainment, which isn’t very pleasant, although I think we all have a good dig at each other from time to time.

    Even Bones has just taken a good hard look at himself and decided to shape some things up, and I think we’ve all done that too, so I don’t think we should make assumptions based on a blog.

    I had concerns about Greg’s use of a mission email, but he seems unperturbed, so we should leave it at that and let him cop it if anything goes wrong.

    But you never know who is lurking on these sites, so I am conscious of attempting to remain honest and keep it relatively clan without diminishing the passion.

    But there are things I won’t say here in this company and things I say here I wouldn’t say in certain situations. It all depends on the audience, doesn’t it.

  42. Yep. It’s like talking with a rebellious teenager atheist.

    But here’s something to consider. This isn’t “sport”.
    Everything we do, say and write affects people and affects our own souls.

    If it’s really fun and sport to insult and swear and you honestly don’t feeling bad (conviction, or that your heart is condemning you), then I’d be worried.

    And while I belittled the importance of this site – it obviously has an effect. Lots of people (especially the least informed) do their research of a topic on the internet. And unless they dig deeply, their opinions will be formed and impressions made in a large part by blogs. Note the amount of things that Bones pastes here and what kind of places they come from.

    Even research the holocaust. A young kid could google the holocaust and after a few days seriously think it’s a controversial topic and maynot be true.

    In other languages it’s worse. Why? Because people with an axe to grind or a cause to promote are out there continually putting stuff on the net.

    To say this is sport, but that sport leading to people being so offended and hurt that they leave, and causing other people to worry about whether someone is going to commit suicide or not, is not the kind of sport that anyone I know is interested in participating in.

    I think it’s great to have people with vastly different opinions.
    Steve posted hard stuff about the Catholic Church and the new Pope. I agree with him. I think it’s terrible sad that people all over the world who know nothing about Jesus, tuned in to their TVs to watch the man they think is the world’s greatest authority and leader of the church, pray firstly to Mary.

    But, if 10 Jesuit professors came here to argue the point, I’m sure Steve would welcome them and not delete their posts.

    Sport is great. But virtual sex, virtual fighting all has its impact.

    One funny thing I once read was a guy talking about his father who was as tough nails who once told him “There’s a fine line between bravery and insanity, and I’ve crossed that line too many times”.

    Everyone here thinks you cross the line continually. Except Bones and Wazza, but that’s mainly because they just don’t want to concede a point to the other side.

    And I’m sure they wouldn’t want their wives and kids reading many of these comments over their shoulders.

    Okay, enough from me.

    Now, an open letter to Pope Francis.

    Congratulations. God bless you. I like the way you’re not to proud to take a bus and mix with the real people. You seem very gracious and humble. But, I wish you didn’t take the best opportunity in the world to pray to Mary, instead of to the Father in Jesus Name. People watch everything you do. Please read the book of Acts again which covers the first decades of your beloved Church. In all of the big accounts the “stars” (Paul, Peter, Stephen)- prayed to God leaving us great examples. Please do the same.

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