Things Jesus said #2

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27 thoughts on “Things Jesus said #2

  1. Things Jesus said in Aramaic before they were translated into Greek and then thoroughly “doctored” by the Doctors of the Law.

    15. And he told them,

    “Go to all people and preach my faith in all creation.
    16. “Whoever believes and declares it, shall Live,
    And whoever does not believe, will be held accountable.
    17. “Signs then to those that believe, they who adhere to us,
    In my name, they will cast out demons,
    and they will speak in new languages (tongues),
    18. “And they will handle snakes (deal with evil people),
    and if deadly poison they drink, it will not affect them.”

    And they will consecrate their hands on the sick and they will be restored.”
    19. Jesus then the Lord, after he spoke with them, went up to heaven, and sat from the right of God.
    20. They then went out, and preached every place, and the Lord helped them and began filling them with signs that they performed.

    Another thing King Jesus said, recounted in Luke 6:

    35. “However, love your enemies and do good by them, (God loves His enemies)
    …and perform duties for them,
    ……and do not disappoint people (deny hope to them),
    ………and your recompense will be great.
    And you shall be the children of the Most High,
    …who heals the evil person and the sinner.
    36. Be thus merciful as your Father is also merciful.
    37. Do not judge and do not bring judgment.
    Do not oppress and do not condemn.
    Release and you shall be released.
    38. Give, and it shall be given to you,
    …through a fine strainer,
    ……and shaken and poured overflowing, for you (into the sack by your side)
    For by the measure that you measure,
    …it shall be measured onto you.”

    39. And he told them a parable. “What can a blind [person] fetch [with another] blind person? Will they not both fall in the pit?

    Steve, you recount what Jesus said, but you do not understand what he was really saying. This is a common complaint with Christians. BY YOUR words you shall be justified, by your words you shall be brought to account – but you are washed by HIS Word. Ironically, you do exactly the thing you judge by believing in hell and eternal judgment slash damnation, and the reason why you do not see it my dear thing is that you are actually blind to it. But that is alright, because in the end every knee shall bow and every eye shall see. You know, as in EVERYONE. Let’s just agree that every eye be opened and every knee brought to bow before the King, who alone is able to make all stand by His unbreakable Rod of Iron.

    Verse 35, “…who heals the evil person and the sinner.” You know, the ones who are divided to the left, the goats…are you getting it yet, any of you? Hello? You will…eventually…LOL…0(:->)

  2. Have you finished, Ian? I understand perfectly well what Jesus is saying. But what is this all about?

    All I did was put up a scripture, a phrase Jesus spoke, and you come up with this diatribe.

    Bones did the same on the other thread. No one said a dicky bird to Greg when he put up criticism of scripture.

    It seems it’s preferable to put up critical things Jesu did not say that positive things Jesus did say!

    The mind boggles!

  3. What Greg posted I wanted to reply to but I demurred as it seemed pointless. However, your very clever reply to him did pique my interest as it raised some interesting points. I am not having crack at you, but rather at the irony of those scriptures you chose and what the ramifications thereof are. You did such a good job of answering Greg I could not have done better, however answering you was a sheer delight as I learned something in the process. And perhaps you will notice that in quoting from the same text that you did, that I was also pointing to the signs and wonders which would follow believers…eh Greg? So I was having a crack at him, in the nicest possible way – and scripturally.

    16. “Whoever believes and declares it, shall Live,
    And whoever does not believe, will be held accountable.

    Compare this trans with that which you quoted.

    Steve, I unashamedly and unreservedly believe in the complete restoration of all things in Christ – I am also very concerned that most of the misunderstanding of Jesus is brought about by tinkering with what He said and by people who with their “good” intentions THINK that they know Him but don’t really, they just think that they do. The only reason why I know this is I was woken at 4:30 am 14 years ago by Jesus standing next to my bed telling me that though I thought that I knew Him, I did not, I just thought that I did and that He would reveal Himself to me as He really is. I am not proud of this, I had to be corrected in order to do what I was called to – and our election is always by a majority of ONE.

    If you understand perfectly what Jesus is saying then you will understand that He does not condemn people, He brings them to account and they are “condemned” by their own testimony, as it is not Him nor His. He who does not believe will not be condemned to a fiery hell for all eternity, but will be brought to account and corrected. Their “condemnation” or judgment was from long ago, like when God had a lamb slain from before the worlds. They have already been judged dear thing, God passed His judgment on Creation before He did anything else. Long ago. From the beginning.

    Do you believe in eternal condemnation and judgment? Paul said that there is therefore now NO (Law of) CONDEMNATION to them which are in Christ. Now, follow this logic if you will. How many died in Christ and were resurrected together with Him? Come on, its a very simple question with very simple answer, but it stumps an awful lot of people, but then you understand Jesus perfectly so I guess you will have already worked it out for yourself. 0(:->)

    That is why though you think you know perfectly well what Jesus is saying, that to me you do not, and if you did you would probably be humble enough to know that none of us know anything perfectly at this juncture. Like I said, it is the irony of the scripture you chose in the light of your belief in hell and judgment and all that jazz. While it effectively answered Greg it raised questions as to your own doctrine and provoked me to go dig out that scripture and look at it ANEW and so provoke you too, but hopefully to righteousness, and not to wrath.

    All died in Him, All were resurrected to newness of Life in Him. Now He is waiting until His enemies be consecrated as the rug under His feet. There is now no more condemnation to them who are in Christ, whether they, or we, know it, or know Jesus and are perfectly known by Him. I do not pretend to have attained, nor to perfectly yet know or be known, but I do see the Mark and I press on.

    Like the Bishop Pongs who deny so much of the evident Truth in order to substantiate their own unbelief and ignorance, we may all fall into that same temptation, trying to re-write and re-right the Scriptures. Once we realize that there is ABSOLUTELY no contradiction in Christ and God and that the only contradictions are in our own comprehension of Jesus Christ and of God – then we may stop yapping like packs of dogs projecting our top dog pack mentality onto the Prince of Peace while protecting our food source, and so become that willing Bride, entered by Her husband, Jesus Christ, as He projects HIS PERFECT IMAGE of us onto US – the US that was made in Him! Christ in us, our HOPE or image of His glory. Hallelujah, I just preached myself happy – well – it is Sunday.

  4. I agree with this post. Let me straighten an apparent misunderstanding…I was not picking in scripture with what I said, I was picking on things people seem to think Jesus said by virtue if their words, actions and beliefs.

  5. Things Jesus said

    “Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.”

  6. @Bones. I have no doubt that Jesus said that.
    But I think it was said to specific people at a specific time for a specific purpose. It’s obvious that not every follower of Christ was not allowed to have assets – whether cash or belongings.

    Having said that, there are people in modern times who sacrifice basically everything they have financially to obey God – eg overseas missions

  7. But theres the rub: some things Jesus said were to a specific people and time. And some things were to all Christians. But which ones are which? And how do we decide?

  8. Good question.
    When you are 100% let me know? 🙂

    I’d say we’ll be thinking about that until we are with Him.

    But, theoretically I believe it should be knowable through study and the teaching of the Holy Spirit.
    Yeah. I believe it should be possible for Christians to all believe the same thing regarding the Bible.
    I still live in hope – and Paul obviously did too.

  9. “Whoever hears my Word and believes Him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned”

    So anyone who hears the Word and believes, in this case! Whoever signifies a defined group, with qualifications.

    He is certainly not saying that everyone, including those who do not hear and believe, will have eternal life and not be condemned, as the universalists would have us believe.

    The quote Bones gave of Jesus’ disciples taking nothing for their supply was relevant to those he sent out to the villages, so was specific, but there are aspects of the passage we can take as relevant to us.

  10. He’s not saying anything about people who never hear his Word. They may or may not be condemned.

    He’s not saying anything about people who hear and dont believe. They may or may not be condemned.

    He’s not saying anything about people who dont hear but still believe.

  11. The problem with that idea, which has some merit, is that we are told that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

  12. The problem with that idea, which has some merit, is that we are told that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

    And….

  13. Things Jesus said

    “Blessed are you who are poor,
    for yours is the kingdom of God.
    Blessed are you who hunger now,
    for you will be satisfied.
    Blessed are you who weep now,
    for you will laugh….

    But woe to you who are rich,
    for you have already received your comfort.
    Woe to you who are well fed now,
    for you will go hungry.
    Woe to you who laugh now,
    for you will mourn and weep.

  14. This is fun!

    “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

  15. “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

  16. The question is, do Bones and Wazza believe that Jesus actually said those things.
    Bones has said before that he doesn’t care – that the main thing is that the gospel writers wanted it said.

    I completely disagree with that.

    It matters incredibly to me whether Jesus said what He is recorded as saying.
    But, I believe that He said those things quoted. So, for me it’s simple.

  17. “When she carried on her whorings so openly and flaunted her nakedness, I turned in disgust from her, as I had turned from her sister. Yet she increased her whorings, remembering the days of her youth, when she played the whore in the land of Egypt and lusted after her paramours there, whose members were like those of donkeys, and whose emission was like that of stallions. Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians fondled your bosom and caressed your young breasts.”

    — Things God said

  18. Things Jesus said:

    “The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that its works are evil.””

    oh and in the same book

    “If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.”

  19. What do you think Q? It sounds like the ravings of a crabby, cantankarous, horny old man. Was iit God who said that?

  20. @wazza

    First, I believe that Jesus on earth said the things and did the things recorded in the bible.

    Second, I believe that Ezekiel was a prophet inspired by the Holy Spirit. And that his writings are part if the Word if God.

    Nothing has changed regarding that. You could keep coming up with passages that seem strange to 21st century western ears and my response will be the same.

    Given that you, Bones and Greg seems to accept that Jesus said somethings and quote them in your arguments against me, Steve and other Christians, the onus is in the three of you to write another gospel with only those comments that Jesus made. Otherwise, there is no point in any biblical discussions. At any point you can say that Jesus didn’t say certain things.

    I’m amazed at the confidence and arrogance of those who are so sure of being able to know which sayings if Jesus were real or not.

    You claim more insight than the Pope or any Orthodox priest.

    But if you aren’t sure and you are just going to sit back and find difficult passages and scorn someone for believing it then you’re just like any pagan mocker or the Devil.

    So, Wazza has said that he wouldn’t go overseas to preach the gospel. Neither Bones or Greg has answered or told me what the good news is that they would be willing to go and preach to Buddhists, Muslims etc.

    And I’m still wondering on what your basis for deciding what did and didn’t say.

    Mockery, scorn and derision of bible passages is not the good news.

    So, what’s your message for the world?

  21. You could read countless commentaries on that verse if you don’t understand it.

    If you are attacking the inspiration of scripture because a verse sounds to you like a horny old man statement then all I can say is I disagree with you.

    Read the whole passage and think about the relationship between God’s people and your own and God and pray.

  22. Are you saying you don’t understand the significance of Ezekiel 23, wazza?

    I’ll let you give your explanation before commenting further, because, if you were merely mocking God by claiming they were ‘the ravings of a crabby, cantankarous, horny old man’, I suggest you repent, because it shows either a great contempt for God, or a total ignorance of scripture.

    There is no in between. These are the conclusions of a scoffer or a wantonly ignorant man.

  23. On second thoughts, wazza, if you are that contemptuous of the Father I don’t see that anything I say will change your opinion, so I’ll leave it to God to deal with.

    Israel, in their contempt, did some horrific things to the Prophets in their unbelief. Not one Prophet survived the people God sent them to. Jesus spoke of this often. What they didn’t realise was that their disposing and despising of the Prophets God sent to them was rejection of God’s Word, and of God Himself. They too mocked God.

    They had exactly the same spirit you have demonstrated here.

    I can’t believe you don’t know what you are saying, so I’ll leave you to it. God can work it through with you.

  24. I take it that God is using metaphorical language to discuss Judah and Israel.

    What is the significance of the reference to the paramours members being like donkeys, and their seminal fluid being like that of stallions?

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