Gay activist response takes the cake…

a-wedding-cake-controversyMy first reaction to this story was that the bakers were overreacting and being overly religious to turn back a lesbian couple who requested a cake from them.

Better to build bridges and be friendly, give a good witness as Christians and show unconditional love than to make a stand against lesbian relationships of people who are unsaved.

But there are other factors. This report from the Christian Post US.

Gay Advocates Get Their Way as Christian Bakers Who Refused to Bake Cake for Lesbian Couple Forced to Close Shop

Under attack from gay rights advocates for refusing to bake a cake for a lesbian couple because of their beliefs, a Christian couple in Gresham, Ore., was finally forced to shut down their store, Sweet Cakes by Melissa, this weekend.

According to a report in the Williamette Week, an Aug. 30 entry on Sweet Cakes’ now defunct Facebook page said, “This will be our last weekend at the shop we are moving our business to an in home bakery. I will post our new number soon. Email will stay the same melissa@sweetcakesweb.com.”

The Christian Post reached out to Sweet Cakes By Melissa for comment by phone on Monday morning but no one was available and a mailbox set-up by the company was full.

Earlier this year the bakery came under fire from gay rights advocates after the lesbians claimed that Sweet Cakes by Melissa owner Aaron Klein told them “they were abominations to the Lord” when he refused to fill their order.

Klein, however, said he only: “apologized for wasting their time and said we don’t do same-sex marriages… (I) honestly did not mean to hurt anybody, didn’t mean to make anybody upset, (it’s) just something I believe in very strongly.”

By June, however, gay rights advocates ramped up their attacks on Aaron Klein and his wife, Melissa, and called for their business to be shut down.

“You stupid bible thumping, hypocritical b****. I hope your kids get really, really, sick and you go out of business,” noted the advocates in one vulgar email.

The couple claimed the advocates aggressively “badgered and harassed” some of their clients until they no longer wanted to do business with their bakery.

“My attorney likens this — he calls it economic terrorism,” Aaron Klein had said in June. “These people, they have literally tried to cut any business ties off through harassment.”

And last Saturday gay rights advocates ran them out of their store but the couple doesn’t appear to be giving up.

A note posted on the door of the shuttered bakery on Sunday read: “This fight is not over. We will continue to stand strong. Your Religious Freedom is becoming not Free anymore. This is ridiculous that we cannot practice our faith. The LORD is good and we will continue to serve Him with all our heart. ♥”

Oregon’s state Bureau of Labor and Industries is currently conducting an investigation to determine if the Christian bakers violated the Oregon Equality Act of 2007.

The act states that people cannot be denied service based on sexual orientation. Exemptions are allowed for schools and religious groups, but not for private businesses, according to the organization.

Two things, here.

First, although the article doesn’t mention it, the request was for a wedding cake for a lesbian marriage.

Now I know that this is a controversial issue and the majority of commenters on this site would consider that a non-issue. I’d end to agree.

However, for some very devout Evangelicals it is a major stumbling point. How do they approach such a request? Making a wedding cake, probably with two brides perched on top, would be an extraordinary challenge for many Christians.

I think they were over the top, all the same. They weren’t being asked to attend the wedding, or officiate.  But there is a case for them to politely refuse, which, by all accounts, according to the baker, is what happened, but with dramatic results.

Second, though, and of equal importance, was the reaction of the gay community, which was harsh and unnecessary. Better to walk away and find a baker who would make the wedding cake than to force the closure of a shop because the owners are Christian and had an extreme perspective on whether they should produce the cake. It shows a high level of ungraciousness from the gay community.

There are many cake shops in the world, most of whom have no problem with producing an order. Why did these gay activists pursue these Christians until they were put out of business?

It seems that this divide is gathering momentum and not about to end soon.


69 thoughts on “Gay activist response takes the cake…

  1. An extremely over the top response to an extremely rude and stupid bakery! I disagree with both of these groups, although the response by the gay folk was way way way out of proportion. To bring kids into the issue was also disgusting.

    To not bake a cake was stupid and illegal, but did not require the response it got. I read about this story a few days ago and thought the baker had passed up a golden opportunity to actually evangelise and build a relationship rather than what they did, which turned people right against them.

    The bakers were not being denied the freedom to practice their religion…unless their religion is self righteousness and bigotry.

  2. “My attorney likens this — he calls it economic terrorism,” Aaron Klein had said in June. “These people, they have literally tried to cut any business ties off through harassment.”

    Really? That really happened? The bakers lost a very small demographic of their market and that’s “economic terrorism” that caused them to close? Did the gay activists get their business records and harassed their suppliers and people who had put in orders. Sounds like the bakers had other problems.

    Is anyone else concerned that the poor wife is doing all the hard work while her husband gets to own the business?

  3. “Is anyone else concerned that the poor wife is doing all the hard work while her husband gets to own the business?”

    No. You making up stories Elly Baby.

    “Really? That really happened?”

    Yes. A suit was filed against them. Their vendors were threatened – meaning the raging homosexual hordes threatened to not to business with their vendors if they didn’t make cakes for lesbians….. The result was that business went down by 50%. That hurts. Do you know anything about business?

    Scary people those hateful homosexual harassers!

    I wonder if that sweet Godly couple could refuse to make a cake for use in a porn movie or for use at an orgy?

    Anyway, the gay hordes are really on the march. They are indeed a “small demographic” Ellie Baby , – really a very, very tiny minority – but they are the most aggressive, politically active, threatening bunch around.

    As you no doubt well know….and are proud of.

    If this were put to the vote – with compulsory participation (yes, not just the yelling radical ratbag crowd), the normal people wouldn’t stand for this homo terrorist nonsense.

    Hopefully those lesbians will find some nice guys and have some babies and come back to the real world.

    Bye Ellwyn. What a name!

  4. Anyway, lesbians go ballistic because people won’t give them a cake so they sue.
    Two rich homosexuals want to sue the Anglican church so they can have their gala wedding or they’ll cry and not feel fulfilled or something (no pun intended)

    Let’s put our heads together about Syria instead. You guys seen the news? The exodus (sorry if that word offends Bones…) is heating up with the news of Nobel Peace prize winner/ gay marriage advocate Obama threatening to lob some missiles.

    btw, the loonie left-wing are very quiet lately. If it were Bush saying the same things as Obama now they’d be running naked in streets in protest.

    And Bones (no peace prize winner, but keen gay marriage/male anal sex advocate) would be frothing and raving about the crusades or something….

    Come on lefties – go and attack Obama. Or are lesbians and their wedding cakes more important than starving refugees???

  5. I’d have made the wedding cake, sans figurines, which I’d sell separately. But would that have been good enough for the lesbians? Seems that some people are carrying a social gun and ready to pull the trigger.

  6. “Ok, so let’s sue Syria.”

    That’s funny, until I realize that you probably are seriously thinking about suing Israel, Billy Graham, and Brian Houston.

  7. Oh well, if we’re going to ener the realm of the equivalnece, I guess if I go down to my local halal butchers and ask for a pig on the spit for a gay wedding I’d come up against the same kind of deal. I wonder if the gay community would be as willing to take on the Islamic or Hassidic communities over a similar issue. Not around my way. Christians tend to be a soft target.

    But this whole boycott deal is counter productive and nasty.

  8. But notice how the issue is watered down to ‘cakes’, as if it is a gay-hate issue, rather than a wedding cake for a lesbian marriage, which is a Christian ethics issue.

    I still think they were silly to make a stand like this when it would have been better to provide the cake without the figurines, which the lesbians could have dealt with, but the gay community has to respect the beliefs of the Christian community, too.

    Tis is not a race issue, by the way, but a religious issue.

    Should a business owner be allowed to practice their religion as part of their business, or should they be forced, by government, to do things which are against their beliefs?

    Should halal butchers be made to touch, prepare and sell pork, for instance?

  9. Oreo sees support, but also backlash and boycott, for gay pride rainbow cookie

    The creator of a ‘Boycott Oreo’ Facebook page wrote, ‘No. I do *not* hate gay people. I am not a ‘homophobe’ … ‘I am against the lifestyle choice, however. It goes against Biblical principals and against how nature intended…That being said, I refuse to support the lifestyle or what Oreo/Kraft is doing. So I have decided to not buy their products.’

    Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/oreo-sees-support-backlash-boycott-gay-pride-rainbow-cookie-article-1.1103369#ixzz2eZfHRvjt

  10. So could you say that gay boycott of bigoted Christians is economic terrorism while Christian boycotts are the church taking action and exercising it’s freedom of religion?

    I suppose you could.

  11. That’s funny, until I realize that you probably are seriously thinking about suing Israel…

    They’ve been quiet in all this. I dare say it’s in their interest to see Assad gone. That would isolate Iran and Hezbollah.

  12. I don’t buy meat offered to idols (halal) either, Bones, but that is not a boycott, it is a choice.

    If I am with a group which offers me halal food in a social setting, I have no issue with eating it. I am free to eat it or free to decline the offer.

    Are you proposing a world in which we are all forced to do the bidding of despotic agencies, and not exercise choice?

    What I am opposed to is the orchestrated ruination of a business by activists because they disagree with their religious views.

    I don’t buy halal, but I am not forming a vigilante group to prevent the good local burgers from purchasing their goods.

  13. I don’t buy meat offered to idols (halal) either, Bones, but that is not a boycott, it is a choice.

    No these are boycotts. eg

    Tide Detergent

    In 2004, Procter and Gamble angered conservatives by opposing an anti-gay rights statute that would exempt gays and lesbians from special civil rights protection in its hometown of Cincinnati. In response, the American Family Association issued a boycott of some of P&G’s most popular products, including Tide Detergent, and gathered petition signatures from almost 365,000 families urging Procter & Gamble to change its policy.

    Home Depot

    A May 2012 post on the American Family Association web site proclaims, “AFA is promoting a boycott of Home Depot until it agrees to remain neutral in the homosexual culture war. The total number of people who have signed the Home Depot boycott pledge is 719,037.” The pledge condemns Home Depot for giving “financial and corporate support to open displays of homosexual activism,” because this helps expose “small children to lascivious displays of sexual conduct by homosexuals and cross-dressers.” In response to the pledge, which was delivered at Home Depot’s annual shareholder meeting, Chairman Blake responded, “We are, and will remain, committed to a culture that fosters an inclusive environment for our associates, our customers and communities in which we exist.”

    PepsiCo Products

    After it was discovered that PepsiCo gave a combined $1,000,000 to the Human Rights Campaign and PFLAG (Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) to promote the so-called “homosexual lifestyle” in the workplace, the American Family Accociation posted a “Boycott Pepsi Pledge,” urging conservatives to stay away from Pepsi drinks, Frito Lay chips, Quaker Oats, and Gatorade.

  14. Yeah, dopey, but these are major corporations who a hardly going to be put out of business because a handful of religious zealots choose to use Omo, Bunnings and Coca-Cola, which are probably better products anyway! I mean, I boycott Pepsi on principle.

    But driving a small local business into the ground for poor judgment is spiteful.

  15. Homophobic insults force gay restaurant owners in small Manitoba town to close up shop

    A pair of gay restaurateurs is closing up shop in Morris, Man., saying they are sick of being the target of anti-gay slurs. Pots N Hands, which advertises “home cooked meals,” opened in the community of 1,700 70 kilometres south of Winnipeg just four months ago.

    Ever since, alleges owner Dave Claringbould, he and his partner have been assailed by homophobic slurs, such as a customer asking if his plate of food was diseased.

    “They should get the hell out of here. I don’t really like them — the service and who they are,” resident Aaron Kleinsasse told the Winnipeg Free Press this week.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/03/slew-of-homophoic-insults-force-gay-restaurant-owners-in-small-manitoba-town-to-close-up-shop/

  16. Sheesh… people love to get offended these days.

    The moral is : If you are lesbian, don’t you have any gay friends who can bake?

    If you are an evangelical baker, do you ask about the bedroom habits of all your customers?

    Go home, have a beer. Have sex.

    End of thread

  17. Great ending to the thread. Just looking at the news and saw dozens of comments from morons saying that Bush destroyed the towers on 9/11. Reminded me that while sometimes you show sense Wazza, you really have some other completely off the wall ideas.
    I suppose Bones is now a 9/11 truther as he agrees with everything Wazza says.
    And it would fit his worldview – that white Christians are the biggest evil on the planet.
    White Christians the US and Israel. Reading so many comments from people with all conflicting theories about how and why Bush did it makes me realize that talking with many people is pointless.

  18. Seriously. the vast majority of comments on news articles are in favor of gay marriage.
    And the vast majority of commenters are convinced that the towers were demolished, or that the planes were really military planes or missiles in disguise and that Jews stayed home and planes with hundreds of people are being held on Gilligan’s Island or something.

    So basically, the internet is full of crackpots. Comments don’t represent the majority.

    So how do you get more normal people to participate in social media? Young people who get most of their info from the internet are exposed to foul-mouthed Christians, people who think male anal sex is great, those who think opposing gay marriage is radical and extremist. those who promote all the ludicrous 9/11 theories, and many who deny the holocaust.

    Bones and Wazza haven’t denied the Holocaust yet, but I’m wondering if Bones has gone over to Wazza’s “inside job” theory?

    So Bones, is Wazza a nut job, or after all your time on looney left-wing, anti-US sites, are you now thinking Bush and Obama and Clinton are all on the big secret????

    Wouldn’t surprise me. In the space of a few months you went from thinking homosexual sex was sin but shouldn’t be legislated against, to supporting gay marriage, to preaching the joys of male anal sex.

    So, where are you now on the inside job theory? Still thinking about it?

  19. The bakers are Christians dealing with a wedding cake for lesbians, i.e., same sex marriage vs Biblical marriage, not their bedroom habits. There is a difference.

  20. Are you jealous of ,me and Wazza, Q.

    You can join us on the dark side too. You know you want to. It really doesn’t hurt.

    I don’t care what Wazza thinks on 911.

    He might even follow afl. Or Manly in the NRL.

    But he’s still a good bloke.

  21. Christians shouldn’t sell cakes because gluttony is sinful and cakes are a self-indulgent food.
    Christians shouldn’t really sell food at all, they should just give it away.
    If Christians have to sell food it should be something healthy like Sub Way, in order to promote a healthy life style.
    If selling unhealthy food like cakes to Homo’s is sinful, then selling any fattening food to anyone is also sinful because it only promotes the sin of gluttony.

    But Sub Way might not be the moral choice for some cause the whole foot-long thing may in fact prove to be hard to take…in a oral sense.

  22. Oh my!…Did i say,”in a oral sense?…What i meant was,”in a moral sense”…how bad of me.
    In any case I’m sure that the lesbian’s would much prefer a foot-long at their wedding then a cake.Not sure what they would do with cake.

  23. And the other day i tried to join Fernwood Fitness, but they refused my membership.
    Well that’s just bluddy sexist isn tit.

  24. And while i’m goin on about sexism, it almost seems like a lot of denominations are promoting the gayity, but not the deity.
    How? you ask!
    All these silly men’s groups and woman’s groups.
    Why divide your church into same sex party nights.

  25. “All these silly men’s groups and woman’s groups.”

    I thought they were for marrieds so that people can learn how to be better spouses.

  26. As for the cake….there’s a thing that any aren’t considering.

    WE are still in early days. It will probably be the case that Christians sell cakes to anyone 10 years down the track while STILL being against gay marriage.

    Probably none of you can remember, but your parents will. There was a time when young couples checking into a hotel would be asked to show ID, in order to stop what was once called a “dirty weekend”. Gee I’m getting old. It seems unbelievable now. But go back to when society as a whole frowned on unmarried couples spending a night at a hotel, and there were many people who didn’t want to be in a position of condoning, allowing “sin”.

    If you don’t believe me, there’s a great old Fawlty Towers episode that’s great for a laugh if you like that stuff.

    I wonder what Basil would do if he thought two lesbians were staying overnight…..

    iow, Most evangelical Christians still think sex outside of marriage is wrong, but depending on the business have decided to just serve customers.

    And for the record, yes I think society was better back then.
    But I also think it was better when pub fights were one on one and there was no kicking a man when he was down.

    Then again, I only watch the original Star Trek, and stand up for ladies, so I’m probably in a time warp.

  27. Q, the jihadists love the lefty conspiracy theorists because they know they will obscure reality with some condemnation of whoever is in authority at the time of their atrocities.

    They’re unto a loser with Obama, though, because, being a classic ditherer, he doesn’t know which decision to make about anything, so, he hands the initiative to Putin the muscle-flexer. Funny how none of the left have conspiracy theories about socialists like Putin. Probably think he’s a hero of the left.

    Meanwhile we have debates about minority groups with self-serving agendas as liberal democrats tear down Christian ethics by adopting whacky theology.

  28. Seems like Steve wants Obama to strike Syria and that he hasn’t is a sign of weakness.

    Obama wanted to get out of Bush’s messes of Iraq and Afghanistan which he was against. Unlike Bush he wasn’t going to lie to blow up Syria, and he wanted other options which Russia (Syria’s ally btw) provided. The US public are also sick of Bush’s wars.

    Syria is a case of you’re damned if you do, you’re damned if you don’t.

    Especially when looking at the combatants.

  29. There’s a myriad of right wing conspiracy theories about Obama. Come to think of it they invent conspiracy theories about every president.

    Because right wing conservatives know everyone is out to get them.

  30. But go back to when society as a whole frowned on unmarried couples spending a night at a hotel, and there were many people who didn’t want to be in a position of condoning, allowing “sin”.

    Yeah I remember those days.

    For most of her childhood my niece was a bastard child as a result of a sinful relationship.

    Those were the days.

  31. Not at all, Bones. I’m for a cautious approach to an obviously difficult situation, but not for Obama’s proclamations and the threats he never carries out which have weakened US authority, and therefore that of the West. In the eyes of the East and Middle East, he’s starting to look whimpish and indecisive.

    He said chemical warfare was the red line never to be crossed, or else, then backed down when he was tested. It also looks as if it was a good thing Kerry never became President.

    At least the UK took it to the Parliament before making any rash pronouncements, keeping their powder dry.

    It would be better if you stuck to what is actually said rather than pushing ahead with false assumptions.

  32. The White House bows and defers to socialism. Well, the current democrats are socialists anyway, aren’t they?

    ‘On the eve of an all-important pow-wow in Geneva, where Secretary of State John Kerry and his Russian counterpart will talk over a plan for stripping Syria of chemical weapons, The New York Times published a stern, and at times standoffish op-ed from their brand new contributor: Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    “Putin is now fully invested in Syria’s CW (chemical weapons) disarmament,” a senior White House official told CNN’s Jake Tapper, when asked to respond to Putin’s op-ed.

    In that opinion piece, Putin speaks directly to the American people and says, among many things, that there is “every reason to believe” it was the rebels, not regime forces, who used poison gas.

    And in his final paragraph, Putin references President Barack Obama’s speech on Syria Tuesday night, and slams the president’s assertion of American exceptionalism.

    “I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation,” Putin wrote.

    “That’s all irrelevant,” the White House official said in response. “He put this proposal forward and he’s now invested in it. That’s good. That’s the best possible reaction. He’s fully invested in Syria’s CW disarmament and that’s potentially better than a military strike – which would deter and degrade but wouldn’t get rid of all the chemical weapons. He now owns this. He has fully asserted ownership of it and he needs to deliver.”’

    http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/11/white-house-responds-to-putins-nyt-op-ed/

  33. I’ve seen reference to that in movies and read about it as well. How times have changed. Used to be back in ancient Israel that if you cheeked your mum and dad they took you to the nearest well and dropped you in it! Ah, the good old days, I wish society didn’t change in its views of right and wrong b

  34. “And George Takei, (Mr Sulu) married a bloke.”

    Did you have to go and spoil everything.

    I never liked him anyway. Too bad the Klingons never got him.

  35. “Syria is a case of you’re damned if you do, you’re damned if you don’t.”

    I wouldn’t have noted for Obama, and I don’t like a lot of his policies. But, I’m loathe to criticise him re Syria. It’s times like this when being the Pres has got to be the hardiest, loneliest job in the world. This is a time when he needs all the support the country can give him.

    I can understand dithering when it comes to the use of military force in another country.
    It’s not something you can just repeal or delete. Get it wrong and lots of your own people and the people of other countries can die. And the scars of that can have repercussions for decades if not centuries.

    Of course, non-action is the same. But, I wouldn’t like to be Obama now. I’m sure he’s doing everything he thinks is best with the advice he has. And let’s remember, that he knows that not all advice can be counted on.

    So, Steve, Bones etc. What exactly would you do if you were Obama right now?

  36. This again is another reason why I have misgivings about Christian political parties.
    I don’t see any chapter and verse or universal principle as to whether the US should do a strike on another country and how big the strike should be, for what level of atrocities.

    If the US wanted to, it could be in conflicts in dozens of countries at the same time.

  37. On 9/11 I’m not a hardline conspiracy theorist.

    I don’t have enough evidence to challenge the official conspiracy theory (Islamic fundamentalists conspired secretly to fly planes into buildings)

    But don’t think that elements of the US Govt and military wouldnt consider killing their own people in order to blame the enemy and bring about a war. They tried to do it in Cuba but were finally stopped by Kennedy.

    And they say that you should never ascribe to malice what could be explained by incompetence.

    But in that case the whole of the CIA,FBI, Civil Aviation Authorities, Government, Air Force is incompetent. They cant protect us even when the threat is under their noses. And that is even more scary than the conspiracy theory.

  38. Wazza. I think that’s the problem. A lot of us gew up thinking the US govt and CIA etc knew eveything about everything and took it fo granted that certain things couldn’t happen.

    The reality is that govts are nowhere near as in control as we think.

  39. If you’re talking about the Bay of Pigs, this was clearly a thwarted invasion of what was potentially enemy territory.

    That is hardly the same as jihadists flying passenger laden aircraft into skyscrapers in New York, or the Pentagon.

    These were strikes at the heart of the US. The conspiracy theories are illogical madness aimed at obscuring truth.

    My point was that this kind of conspiracy theory encourages the jihadists who know that they will not only get the fear factor but also mileage from the lefty conspiracy theorists who throw enough doubt into the works including manna for the media to give the militants breathing space for some other atrocity.

    Government agencies may make some bad calls amongst the many good we do or don’t get to hear about, but the idea that 9/11 was a CIA inspired atrocity is ludicrous. I can’t understand why a rational person would give it more than a minute’s consideration.

  40. Steve, I was referring to Operation Northwoods

    The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. Department of Defense for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as fabricating the hijacking or shooting down of passenger and military planes, sinking a U.S. ship in the vicinity of Cuba, burning crops, sinking a boat filled with Cuban refugees, attacks by alleged Cuban infiltrators inside the United States, and harassment of U.S. aircraft and shipping and the destruction of aerial drones by aircraft disguised as Cuban MiGs.[20] These actions would be blamed on Cuba, and would be a pretext for an invasion of Cuba and the overthrow of Fidel Castro’s communist government. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy. The surprise discovery of the documents relating to Operation Northwoods was a result of the comprehensive search for records related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy by the Assassination Records Review Board in the mid-1990s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag#Operation_Northwoods

    But don’t worry, I’m not some conspiracy looney. I don’t really think that the US military would plan an attack on its own citizens, just to gain support for a war. That just couldnt be true, because that would make them evil wouldn’t it?

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