Is online Porn the new heroin for our young children?

I’m a reasonably normal adult male…well, let me qualify that…those of you who know me personally realise that ‘normal’ in mycase has a very broad interpretation…even thoe of you who only know me from our online connections woudl ahve come to realise that I’m probably not your everyday kind of person!  My own sexual development adn brain chemistry was horribly affected by years of sexual abuse and subsequent sexual activity as a teen ager.  The abuse has had an effect on my adult life even to this very day.  I consider viewing pornography to be taking part in a form of sexual abuse – the visual abuse of our own minds and also the abuse of those peopoe in the cvideos who have become objectified for our own personal gratification.

The article belwo is particulalry disturbing – it seems that in Britain, and i can’t imagine the case is diferent anywhere selse in the world, that children as young as 10 and 11 are being subjected to viewing online porn through pop-ups as they engage in a supposedly harmless social interaction via facebook andf other media.  What are we developing in our young people?  in our young men? in our young women?  What kinds of expectations and dangerous thought pattersn are becomign entrenched in the psyche of our teenagers?

I didn’t even konw that a ‘virgin’ refferred to anyone else other than Mary the mother of Jesus until I was 15!  I certainly didn’t konw about the types of sexual activity that our young people konw about at a similar age today – know about, and have possibly even viewed!

I do;nt believe that watching, making, distributiung or participating in pornography has a single positive element to it – and yet it is permitted to adfvance along the fibre optic channels of the world and onto the devices of our children unchecked, and unabated.  most of us trust our children not to watch this stuf, but if it pops up unbidden, what are they to do?  We as parents do need to be far more aware of what our young people are watching online – ask you child if they’ve ever viewed porn online…have the conversation, not to punish, but to be informed and to guide them as they mature themselves.

And read this article:

Experiment that convinced me online porn is the most pernicious threat facing children today: By ex-lads’ mag editor MARTIN DAUBNEY

By MARTIN DAUBNEY

 

 

The moment I knew internet pornography had cast its dark shadow over the lives of millions of ordinary British teenagers will live with me for ever.

I was sitting in the smart drama hall of a specialist sports college in the North of England with a fantastic reputation.

Before me were a group of 20 boys and girls, aged 13-14. Largely white, working class children, they were well turned-out, polite, giggly and shy.

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Martin Daubney, ex-editor of Loaded, with his wife Diana and his son SonnyMartin Daubney, ex-editor of Loaded, with his wife Diana and his son Sonny

 

As the presenter of a Channel 4 documentary called Porn On The Brain, airing next Monday at 10pm, I’d been invited to sit in on a forward-thinking class led by sex education consultant Jonny Hunt, who is regularly asked into schools to discuss sex and relationships. To establish what these kids knew about sex – including pornography – he had asked the children to write an A-Z list of the sexual terms they knew, no matter how extreme.

Most of these children had just hit puberty and some were clearly still children: wide-eyed, nervous, with high-pitched voices.  Some of the girls were beginning their first forays into make-up. Several wore braces on their teeth. Everybody was smartly turned out in school uniform, and the most anti-authority statement in the room was a tie worn deliberately short. A One Direction pencil case lay on a desk. These were clearly good children, from good homes. So far, so very, very ordinary.

But when Jonny pinned their lists on the board, it turned out that the children’s extensive knowledge of porn terms was not only startling, it superseded that of every adult in the room – including the sex education consultant himself.

Martin was shocked by what the teenagers saidMartin was shocked by what the teenagers said

 

‘Nugget, what’s that?’ asked Jonny.

‘A nugget is a girl who has no arms or legs and has sex in a porno movie,’ chortled one young, pimply boy, to an outburst of embarrassed laughter from some, and outright revulsion from others.

The adults in attendance were incredulous at the thought that not only did this kind of porn exist, but that a 14-year-old boy may have actually watched it.

But the more mundane answers were just as shocking. For example, the first word every single boy and girl in the group put on their list was ‘anal’.

When questioned, they had all – every child in a class of 20 – seen sodomy acted out in porn videos. I was stunned they even knew about it – I certainly hadn’t heard of it at that age – let alone had watched it and as a result may even have wanted to try it.

One 15-year-old girl said, ‘Boys expect porn sex in real life’. And one boy – to choruses of approval – spoke of his revulsion for pubic hair, which he called a ‘gorilla’.

When Jonny pointed out that pubic hair was normal in real life, the boys scoffed, but some of the girls were angry that the boys’ template of what to expect from real girls had clearly already been set by porn.

By the end of the hour-long class – and three others that followed with other children – I was profoundly saddened by what I had witnessed. While teenage boys will always be fascinated by, and curious about, sex, what’s now considered ‘normal’ by under-18s is an entirely distorted view of intercourse and the way relationships should be conducted.

It seemed as if the children’s entire expectation of sex had been defined by what they see in online porn. The conversation was horrifying enough, yet there was worse to come.

In the playground, I interviewed a brave group of seven bright boys and girls aged 14-15 to ascertain in more detail what online porn they had witnessed.

‘Nugget, what’s that?’ asked Jonny. ‘A nugget is a girl who has no arms or legs and has sex in a porno movie,’ chortled one young, pimply boy

One boy calmly recalled watching a scene too graphic to describe in a family newspaper, but which had involved an animal.

 

‘You’re watching bestiality?’ I asked. ‘That’s illegal. Where are you getting this stuff from?’

‘Facebook,’ the boy said. ‘It just pops up whether you want it or not, sometimes via advertisements. You don’t have any control over it.’

A girl added, ‘On Facebook, you just scroll down and it’s there. If any of your friends like it, it comes up on your home page.’

These kids were balanced, smart and savvy. They were the most academically gifted and sporting in the school. They came from ordinary, hard-working households. This was not ‘Broken Britain’.

Some were clearly shocked by what they had seen on the internet.

‘I find it dirty and disturbing,’ said one 15-year-old boy. ‘I try not to look at it, but people just keep sending it to each other. They email disgusting links to each other’s mobile phones to shock.’
One girl put her head in her hands and said, ‘It’s just gross’.

It’s horrifying enough for parents to know that children can get porn via the internet. But to think they get it from Facebook – the social media currency that has become a universal must-have for teenagers globally – will strike terror into their hearts.

 

Documentary investigates what effect online porn has on teens

After leaving Loaded MartinI agonised that they may have switched a generation onto explicit pornAfter leaving Loaded MartinI agonised that they may have switched a generation onto explicit porn

 

I asked the teenagers: ‘On a scale of one to ten, how likely would you say it is that boys and girls your age are watching porn online?’

The reply was a chorus of tens, nines and one eight.

When I asked the children if there were parental controls on the internet at home, they all said no, their parents trusted them. They all admitted their parents had no idea what they were watching, and would be shocked if they did know.

What I saw at the school was awful, but sadly not unusual.

The findings were backed up in a survey of 80 boys and girls aged 12-16, commissioned for the TV show.

It proves the vast majority of UK teens have seen sexual imagery online, or pornographic films.

According to the survey, the boys appear largely happy about watching porn – and were twice as likely as girls to do so – but the girls are significantly more confused, angry and frightened by online sexual imagery. The more they see, the stronger they feel.

But what impact is this steady diet of online depravity having on the attitudes of boys and girls towards real life relationships, and on their self-esteem?

Could it even have a wider impact on their lives, blighting their ability to function in the world, get good qualifications and jobs?

 

What I discovered left me truly shocked and saddened.

He wanted to know how to protect his sonHe wanted to know how to protect his son

 

You might be surprised. After all, from 2003-2010 I edited lad’s magazine Loaded.

With its frequent nudity and lewd photo spreads, I’d long been accused of being a soft pornographer, and after leaving Loaded I agonised that my magazine may have switched a generation onto more explicit online porn.

In the documentary I set out on a journey to answer the question: is porn harmless, or is it damaging lives?

My interest was deeply personal, too, as my own beautiful little boy, Sonny, is now four. Even though he has only just started primary school, the Children’s Commissioner estimates boys as young as ten are now being exposed to online porn.

I wanted to know what I could do to protect my own son from a seemingly inevitable exposure to hardcore material in just a few years’ time.

I used to be sceptical that porn was as damaging a force as the headlines and David Cameron – who recently said it was ‘corroding childhood’ – suggest. In the past I’d even defended pornography in university debates, on TV and on radio. I claimed it was our freedom of choice to watch it and said it could actually help add to adult relationships.

But what I saw during the making of the film changed my opinion of pornography forever.

The true stories of boys I met whose lives had been totally taken over by porn not only moved me to tears but also made me incredibly angry that this is happening to our children.

And the looks of revulsion on those poor girl’s faces in the playground enraged me.

I feel as if an entire generation’s sexuality has been hijacked by grotesque online porn.

To find out what porn is doing to young men, and the girls they have relationships with, we spoke to them via online forums and discovered that there were many young lives seriously blighted by an excessive, unhealthy relationship with pornography that can begin when they are as young as 12.

We learned that some had lost their jobs, others had broken relationships, failed exams, or got into serious debt through using porn.

‘When you interview young women about their experiences of sex, you see an increased level of violence: rough, violent sex. That is directly because of porn, as young boys are getting their sexual cues from men in porn who are acting as if they’re sexual psychopaths’

Take the 19-year-old man I got to know. He was handsome, articulate and in full-time employment as an apprentice electrician. But his life was dominated by his porn habit.

‘Every bit of spare time I have is spent watching porn,’ he says. ‘It is extreme. I can’t hold down a relationship for longer than three weeks. I want porn sex with real girls, but sex with them just isn’t as good as the porn.’

Having established, like the recent Children’s Commissioner report, that ‘basically, porn is everywhere’, we set out to discover what all this porn was doing to their brains.

Was it having any effect at all? Could it be addictive?

We found Dr Valerie Voon, a neuroscientist at Cambridge University and a global authority on addiction.

Then, in the first study of its kind, we recruited 19 heavy porn users who felt their habit was out of control and had Dr Voon examine their brain activity as they watched, among other things, hardcore porn.

She showed them a variety of images, both stills and videos.

These ranged from images known to excite all men, such as bundles of £50 notes and extreme sports in action, to mundane landscapes and wallpapers – all inter-spliced with hardcore porn videos, plus pictures of both clothed and naked women.

The ways in which their brains responded to this diverse imagery were compared with the responses of a group of healthy volunteers.

She was interested in a particular brain region called the ventral striatum – the ‘reward centre’ – where our sense of pleasure is produced. This is one of the areas where an addict will show a heightened response to visual representations of their addiction – whether it’s a syringe or a bottle of vodka.

'Letting our children consume it freely via the internet is like leaving heroin lying around the house'‘Letting our children consume it freely via the internet is like leaving heroin lying around the house’

 

What we discovered was a revelation. When shown porn, the reward centre of normal volunteers barely reacted, but that of the compulsive porn users lit up like a Christmas tree.

The compulsive porn users’ brains showed clear parallels with those with substance addictions.
Everybody on the project was astounded, even Dr Voon, who admitted she had been ‘sceptical and ambivalent’ about the study at the outset.

If porn does have the insidious power to be addictive, then letting our children consume it freely via the internet is like leaving heroin lying around the house, or handing out vodka at the school gates.
And this toxic effect is filtering down directly into young girls’ lives.

The most shocking testament came from Professor Gail Dines. Regarded as the world’s leading anti-pornography campaigner, she has interviewed thousands of men and women about sex and pornography.

‘When you interview young women about their experiences of sex, you see an increased level of violence: rough, violent sex,’ she says.

‘That is directly because of porn, as young boys are getting their sexual cues from men in porn who are acting as if they’re sexual psychopaths.

‘Pornography is sexually traumatising an entire generation of boys.’

By talking with sexual addiction experts such as Professor John E Grant of the University of Chicago, Dr Paula Hall, the UK’s top sex addiction therapist, and Professor Matt Field from the University of Liverpool, we learned that the teenage brain is especially vulnerable to addiction.

The brain’s reward centre is fully developed by the time we’re teenagers, but the part of the brain that regulates our urges – the pre-frontal cortex – isn’t fully developed until our mid-20s. The brains of teenagers are not wired to say ‘stop’, they are wired to want more. The implications of this study are profoundly troubling.

So who is going to take on the responsibility for protecting our children until they are old enough to do it for themselves?

Can we rely on schools? It strikes me that the current sex education system in the UK – where schools are obliged only to teach the basics of reproduction and the perils of sex, which they can opt out of anyway – is hopelessly outdated.

In the internet age, our children are turning to online porn for an alternative sex education – the worst place they can go.

The Mail claimed a victory in July when David Cameron announced that by the end of 2014 all 19 million UK homes currently connected to the internet will be contacted by service providers and told they must say whether family friendly filters that block all porn sites should be switched on or off.

But our TV show proved that determined children will always find a way around online blocks.

Ultimately, the responsibility lies with us, the parents. The age of innocence is over.

Like many parents, I fear that my boy’s childhood could be taken away by pornography. So we have to fight back.

We need to get tech-savvy, and as toe-curling as it seems, we are the first generation that will have to talk to our children about porn.

We have to tell our kids that pornographic sex is fake and real sex is about love, not lust.

By talking to them, they stand a chance. If we stick our head in the sand, we are fooling only ourselves.

Porn On The Brain airs on Monday, 30 September at 10pm on Channel 4 as part of Channel 4’s Campaign for Real Sex

 

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26 thoughts on “Is online Porn the new heroin for our young children?

  1. Now this was a great article.

    I don’t think anyone has any idea of how damaging this is to boys, girls, and marriages.

    I could write pages about this. But if you think divorce and marriage relationships are bad now, wait till the generation brought up on porn grows up.

    But of course, people will argue that nudity is great, sex is normal, and that animals have sex in front of other animals and humans so it would only be dinosaur Christians that have a problem with it.

    LIke all the other things that people want to make acceptable, there are REASONS and good reasons why there is such a thing as morals, and why a society (read govt if you like) should organise itself in a way to reduce the availability of things detrimental to that society.

    But like most things, first there was playboy, then harder stuff, then …..and it just keeps going.

    And what have we now after decades of social engineering and great education?

    Men and boys respect women less than ever before. Women are the ultimate victims.

    But when I talk about marriage, here it is in a nutshell.

    How is a man who is brought up on porn where women eagerly have sex and do everything imaginable 10 times in a row standing on their heads. and who knows that when women are not married but just in the dating stage have done their darndest to do every sexual trick under the sun for the guy they are in love with -cope with the reality of being married where his wife who was liberated enough to do everything with the 15 guys she was in love with before getting married, doesn’t want to have sex because…..the bills aren’t paid or he was rude to the mother-in-law, or whatever reason it is that many married women might go through days or weeks without begging for a man or men to do this or that to them.

    I could go on, and be more graphic – but does anyone feel happy about their daughter going out with a guy brought up in the internet porn generation?

    And how hard is it for a man to have a happy marriage when the super sex isn’t on tap.

    Anyway, humans are humans. They aren’t animals.
    But most guys left to themselves without moral teaching or religion or something will act like animals.

    Even with the best religious teaching and the best of intentions men are so.

    But a generation brought up on this stuff, without any teaching on morality is a recipe for disaster.

    Not to mention, the problem of the people who act in this stuff have it online forever.

    Kudos to the person who put this up.

  2. Well done Greg. The best answer to resist internet temptation is to just get totally absorbed in arguing on signposts. Works for me anyway!

  3. Maybe signposts is like religious porn. Might get a brain scan.
    Parts of my brain probably light up when I see one of Bones posts like

    “f##$%$%%$&$%$&$%$&$%$&$%$ HIllsong…&%&#%&%#&%## music.%&%&%&money ….Murdoch%&%&%&% Q %&%&%&% Steve %&%&%&%&% right-wing .%$%$%$%$moron

    My heart and head tells to just walk away….but something always drags me back!

  4. WOW Q, you’re a complete expert in this field.
    When it comes to porn you’re like, the suppository of all wisdom man!

  5. “Maybe signposts is like religious porn”

    Signposts is an adults only blog.
    I think Steve made that clear a while back.
    Trust Mr Ex to post something about porn.

  6. “Trust Mr Ex to post something about porn.”

    Actually, that’s a surprising point. Greg usually posts along the lines of liberal theology and has non-traditional views about sexual behaviour. I think it’s a great issue, and shows that people with different ideas can still have concerns about young people’s exposure to such material.

    Unless of course he thinks the guy is a crank.

    But I’m sure there will be gay parents with children who would have similar ideas to heterosexual couples regarding childrens sex education and exposure to material.

    Not all gays are deviants.

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  7. Pornography is Sin!
    …a curse upon America!

    by David J. Stewart

    Psalm 101:3, “I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes…”

    A “Trojan Horse” Sin

    Please understand that I don’t condemn anyone, for the Bible condemns all of us as guilty, dirty, rotten, hell-deserving sinners. It is not my place to judge. My salvation solely rests in Christ’s righteousness, because of the precious blood that He gave for our sins. My intention is not to be unkind; but rather, to expose the demonic nature of pornography.

    There is no greater evil in the world than that of pornography! Sadly, our mentally-ill American society honors pornographers and has legitimized the business as an industry. Pornography is a Trojan horse sin, because it opens the door to many other sexual sin. Pornography causes lasciviousness (sexually addiction). It opens one’s soul to demonic influences. The Bible says in John 3:20 that it is love for sin which prevents sinners from coming to Jesus Christ for salvation… “lest his deeds should be reproved.”

    Tragically, pornography is legal in America and most places today. Pornography turns people away from God and His Holy Word. Most people automatically associate the word “pornography” with total nudity; however, the evil influences of “soft porn” (partial nudity) are equally damaging. America has become a cesspool of iniquity.

    Whereas women are aroused by TOUCH, men are aroused by SIGHT. Of course, this is no secret. I won’t spend a lot of time in this article trying to explain all the things wrong about pornography, because it is self-evident. Any idiot knows what’s wrong with pornography. I simply want to do my part as a born again Christian to take a Biblical stand against this woeful evil of our time. Pornography is a Trojan horse sin… from it spawns fornication, wife beatings, rapes, adultery, child porn, pedophilia, homosexuality, and every other Godless form of immorality imaginable. And now some sick-minded entrepreneurs are selling porn on people’s cellphones.

    Psalm 19:7, “The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.”

    Judgment is Coming Upon America!

    Pornography did not exist until the invention of the camera came along. Think about this for a moment. The Old Testament cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were so wicked that God decided to DESTROY them (and they didn’t have any pornography!). Can you imagine what God thinks about America today? Same-sex marriages? SIN CITY? Abortion? America is a wicked nation of arrogant, stiff-necked people, rebelling against the Lord God. More smut flows out of America than any other nation on earth.

    Not surprisingly, Chicago even named one of it’s streets in honor of reprobate Hugh Hefner (founder of Playboy). I don’t condemn the man, for the Bible condemns all of us as guilty, dirty, rotten, hell-deserving sinners; but Mr. Hefner’s Playboy is of the Devil. I’m reminded of Frank Sinatra’s wicked words in the song Chicago…”The town Billy Sunday couldn’t shut down.” Well, God’s going to shut it down someday!

    “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” —Jude 1:7

    Jesus Condemned Pornography

    Adultery of the heart may not seem as bad to you as the actual act of adultery, but it is in God’s eyes…

    “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven…Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” —Matthew 5:20,27,28

    Mankind often forms his own conclusions about right and wrong, without regard for the Bible; but the Word of God has already removed most of the grey areas for us. The Bible is not vague on the issue of pornography. The Word of God clearly condemns ALL forms of sexual sins. Pornography (whether it be hard porn or soft porn) leads men into sexual sins. Notice in Matthew 5:28 the words “WITH HER.” A woman who dresses immodestly is guilty of adultery as much as the man who commits the act in his mind. She is causing men to lust by her immodest apparel.

    The Pharisees were GUILTY of many sins, but they were self-righteous and didn’t see themselves as being sinful. even though they were self-righteous in their own eyes. The Pharisees were religious phonies. I have worked with numerous Catholic men in my working career and nearly ALL indulged in pornography. I used to work next to a Filipino man that would pray the Rosary and then shamelessly pull out a Playboy Magazine to lust upon. I’m not condemning these men, I’m simply saying that pornography has become acceptable to many people; but God said it is a sin. How can one pray the Rosary and then look at pornography? Then again, the Rosary is just as wicked as pornography, it is also of the Devil. Mary Worship is demonic.

    Jesus clearly taught that such phony religion leads to hell. Unless a person has the righteousness of God, which is only found in Jesus Christ, they CANNOT go to heaven. The ONLY way to have God’s righteousness is by becoming “born again” through faith in Christ Jesus.

    “For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” —2nd Corinthians 5:17

    The righteousness of God that a person needs to be saved IS Jesus Christ Himself. When we trust upon Christ for the forgiveness of our sins, God’s Holy Spirit comes to indwell (live) within our soul. We are then a child of God.

    Again, the Word of God clearly condemns ALL forms of sexual sins, including lust…

    “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” —Matthew 5:28

    “Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.” —1st Peter 2:11

    http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/pornography.htm

  8. Then again, the Rosary is just as wicked as pornography, it is also of the Devil. Mary Worship is demonic.

    Shows you how much this guy knows…the rosary has nothing whatsoever to do with Mary Worship! The prayer most prayed throughout is the Lords Prayer!

  9. “Whereas women are aroused by TOUCH, men are aroused by SIGHT.”

    People should probably explain that better.

  10. “Then again, the Rosary is just as wicked as pornography, it is also of the Devil. Mary Worship is demonic.”

    The Rosary is in-fact worse then pornography.
    Unless someone considers pornography a God in which he can receive eternal life from.
    If Abraham, ‘whom the promises were spoken to’, can’t help you, i don’t see how Mary will do any better.

    Luke 16:19-31

    There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.

    At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores,

    and longing to eat what fell from the Rich Man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

    The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The Rich Man also died and was buried.

    In Hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

    So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire’.

    But Abraham replied, ‘Son remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.

    And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone else cross over from there to us.’

    He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father’s house,

    for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.

    Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

    ‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

    He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead’ (NIV)

  11. This Catholic blogger seems to think that Mary is a virgin mediator.
    It is hideous indoctrination.

    http://www.devinrose.heroicvirtuecreations.com/blog/about/
    Welcome to my blog! I’m a Catholic author and lay apologist equipping Catholics to defend their faith, and helping Protestants fairly consider Catholicism’s claims.
    ——————————————————————
    http://www.devinrose.heroicvirtuecreations.com/blog/overcoming-sexual-addiction/
    Pray everyday.
    Are you tempted in the morning while lying in bed? Get up! Immediately when you wake up, ask the Virgin Mary to pray to God for you for the grace to protect and respect all of His daughters.

  12. I’m perplexed that the rosary comes up on this thread.

    But I’ll go out on my protestant limb and say that I’d be more worried about every school kid looking at hard-core pornography every day than them all using rosaries.

  13. Praying to Mary is a complete abomination.So you’s can stick up for your mate Vicarius fiddle dee dee all you want. Probably just fear of reproval from the Anglicants.

    Should a pope who turned his back on the worst crisis in modern Catholic history be exalted as a saint? Lawsuits by victims, numerous prosecutions and news coverage of bishops who enabled abuse are the shadow story of John Paul’s twenty-six-year pontificate, during which time he responded to continuing allegations of clergy abuse with denial and inertia. American dioceses and religious orders alone have spent nearly $2 billion on legal actions and treatment of sex offenders, an aching scandal at incalculable cost to the church’s stature. – See more at: http://www.thenation.com/article/160242/shame-john-paul-ii-how-sex-abuse-scandal-stained-his-papacy#sthash.E05MS5T6.dpufhttp://www.thenation.com/article/160242/shame-john-paul-ii-how-sex-abuse-scandal-stained-his-papacy#

  14. Eyes, I’m not interested in beating up the Catholic Church and previous Pope anymore than already have been.

    I’m not Catholic and don’t pray to Mary. There’s been threads for that before. I don’t think it’s necessary, and in my spiritual experience (which hasn’t been anything to really brag about), I’ve never felt prompted or led to pray to Mary or another saint. I don’t think it’s biblical, but I do realise people have been doing it for centuries. Actually longer.

    But, I can’t believe that a sincere person who loves God and is relating to him in the way they have been taught and prayers through the rosary (not sure if that’s how you say it), is sinning in the same way that someone is who is wilfully feeding their lust by intentionally looking at real enactments of sexual sin.

    I’m definitely Protestant. But I know there are people who are devoted to and are serving Christ better than I am but who perhaps might come to see that not all of their spiritual activities are valid.

    But they are genuinely living pure lives, and that isn’t easy.

    But there’s no point in making a discussion about whether stealing is worse than pornography or that’s worse than lying etc.

    The article is about the problem of young peoples access to pornographic material during adolescence and even before, and the possible effects on them and society.

    It’s relevant because there are those who no doubt think it’s not a problem.

    Personally, the fact that a young person would want to look at it given the chance is not unnatural or worrying in itself. If a 15 yr old could honestly say they wouldn’t even be interested in seeing a video of people doing sexual things even once, I’d be surprised, or at least think they were a much more noble person than I was.

    The article is not about the natural curiosity, but what is the effect on continual exposure to everything under the sun.

    There have always been girlie magazines, and even when there weren’t there were always medical books, or pictures of topless Africans. But no generation has ever had the opportunity to see anything and everything anytime.

    I think it’s unhealthy and extremely problematic psychologically, spiritually and socially.

    Mary? Well that’s another thread.

  15. As for the Pope and the Catholic church scandal….they’ve got so many churches, schools, institutions, priests, brothers etc all over the world and have had for centuries. Protestant churches and other organizations which are way smaller have had the same problems.
    And the reasons why it hasn’t always been dealt with in the right way, are probably similar.

    It’s the same on the family level.

    Maybe someone could do a thread on why religious organizations didn’t deal with it properly. Personally, I don’t think it’s a religious issue. The same question could be asked of public schools, choirs and families. Most people hope things will stop and be sorted out quietly.

    BUT THIS IS FOR ANOTHER THREAD.

  16. I have no idea what you’re on about EYES…no one believes that praying the rosary will save them. The rosary is simply a formulary for a disciplined prayer life! How is that evil?

  17. Eyes, are you at all concerned that your quoted article :

    Pornography is Sin!
    …a curse upon America!

    by David J. Stewart

    Is written by a convicted child sex offender? Or is that irrelevant?

    Similarly the original article lamenting the effect of porn on children is written by a former pornographer.

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