Phil Pringle calls himself a prophet

I think this post from Bones in another conversation is well worth keeping and giving its own thread.

But seeing you want to go down this track. You won’t have the balls to let this stand.

THE PROPHET PHIL PRINGLE
Well, C3 Church senior pastor Phil Pringle is a self-proclaimed prophet. In the middle of a tithing talk, where he has already told his followers to give their 10% before paying their rent and other expenses, Pringle says he’s like the prophet Elijah.

At about 4:20 in this video, Pringle says …

God sends prophets into our lives, he sends messengers, and ministers, and people of God into our lives to unlock a miracle on the inside of us, but it always takes a decision of the will, and a step of faith to actually bring that out. And that’s what I am maybe in your life today. Maybe I’m Elijah saying, first take God’s portion and give it to him, don’t hold it back.

Put your faith and your money in Phil Pringle and you’ll get a miracle. Unbelievable.

 


13 thoughts on “Phil Pringle calls himself a prophet

  1. Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhh. That’s better.

    I’m commenting sooner than I expected but could not let this pass. Commenting sooner because I just get thoroughly put off being part of a thread such as the Hillsong one, which quickly descended into complete anarchic farce. It was like a 3 Stooges film with wazza as a guest walk-on occasionally. Still, if you guys enjoy dishing out the stinging rebukes, who am I to lecture anyone (lecture over). Anyway…

    What grieves me most about PP’s money whip-up message is the sweet-tasting veneer of ‘freedom’ it’s coated in. He wrenches an OT passage into a shape that matches his message, and then (this was the sucker punch for me) says that in giving MONEY to C3, we are actually giving Jesus. What an intimidating undercurrent to drag anyone off course.

    Firstly, the scripture. The widow has a relationship of trust with Elijah. What he says goes as far as she’s concerned. In her lack, she had no choice but to obey his command to gather many jars and donate her last drop of oil. The inference from PP here is that even if we’re down to our last 2 cents, if the prophet (PP in this case) wants it, we should give it. That’s abuse.

    The fact remains that this singular miracle is referenced to make a case for WEEKLY tithing out of your gross income – wrong on several levels. At 2.45-2.50 he makes the staggering claim that all this preamble about ‘putting God first’ in our lives (no-one would deny that) boils down to what we give – money. Is he kidding?

    Now his claim that because the firstfruits (bait and switch here because we’ve moved from Elijah ‘but hold that previous thought folks’) was given and Jesus was a firstfruit of the new resurrected life, giving firstfruit money (whatever that is – 10% gross I assume) is like giving Jesus. From 6.15 to 6.40 PP states that somehow we are giving Jesus, with the inference that ‘how dare we hold anything (financial) back when God has given us so much’. He is twisting truth for financial gain by, ironically, falling so far short of how we should respond. If Jesus is our firstfruit, he became so by dying, by offering up his life. Our response is the same and by no way limited to or focussed on our giving. The truth is that when we are ‘in Christ’ we are effectively dead already if we have God’s life as number one, and money is just a part. He wants all of us – our marriages, kids, home, time, work, recreation, the lot.

    When money does come in to play, we are called to be generous to the needs of our fellow believer, so PP’s comments at 3.40 about why the widow isn’t asking the ‘church’, which hadn’t been created. It was the Temple, and part of the tithes were specifically dedicated to the poor such as her. So she had every right to go to the Levites but this gets the brush off from PP which, if he wants to place this story in NT times by referencing ‘church’, is in total contradiction to NT giving principles found in Acts and other letters.

    This talk completely nullifies what Jesus actually did by dying and rising again. In Heb 4, Jesus is clearly identified as our Sabbath rest – not the day itself, but Christ alone. It’s the same with the OT firstfruit gifts. PP correctly references that they point to Christ, and in the same breath keeps in audience firmly in Levitical offering-based religion having dangled the true freedom in Christ before them. If you are truly living a Kingdom-focussed life, you will be giving ‘firstfruit’-like offerings of time, kind deeds, loving words, gifts to the needy etc. In doing so you are truly giving Christ, who is not a lump sum transferred by direct debit.

    If there is one form of preaching that is an abomination before the Father, it’s when Jesus is trampled in favour of the ‘system’ he died to free the Jews, and us, from. To leverage OT scripture, put a Jesus-like wrapping over it and serve it up as truth via a ‘prophetic declaration’ deserves a response no different to Jesus haranguing the Pharisees by saying to them that they travel over land and sea to convert someone and in doing so make them twice the son of hell that they are.

    He saw straight through this type of teaching and still does. It pains me so much that such influence should come down from the pulpit, and lead a whooping crowd straight behind bars claiming that they are now invoking ‘God’s order’. Even the 4 foot lettering behind him is misleading. ‘A Blessed Life’ is all about me, my blessing, what’s God going to do by blessing my home, mortgage, status symbols. All I have to do is give 10% and it’s a deal God – crack on! How about a new slogan – ‘Be a blessing in life’. In other words: give, pray, put yourself second or third, love, share, admonish, teach, raise up in righteousness., do good deeds, sacrifice time, possessions, reputation.

    Why are the sheep so easily led on to the rocks?

  2. In fact I’d go so far as to say that churches, movements and organisations like Pringle’s are OT cults wrapped in NT language propped up by powerfully effective, sparkly, loud, trendy fluff and window dressing. When you cut through the bubbles, the substance is: Levitical priesthood, caste order of laity and ‘leaders’, houses of God (where he allegedly turns up), tithe centrally, Holy Spirit only flowing through a very few selected ones, follow the rules. All firmly pre-Christ. So, in singing about Jesus (if he actually gets a mention in a song) and squeezing in a mention of Jesus in the talk, we keep the imagery of ‘church’ going quite well, and its strong money-centricity aways in plain view.

    Call me harsh, but I have witnessed all this first hand.

  3. Hate to be a party pooper, but i don’t think that Pringle is actually calling himself Elijah.
    Though he does seem uncertain about the idea.
    He thinks he could be, but he’s not quite sure.
    He’s calling himself a messenger of God trying to unlock (your wallet) a miracle in your life.
    This is his Key (to your wallet)to success.
    Not sure that Elijah did the same.
    He really is trying to make sense of the senseless.

  4. “This especially applies in the world of tithing. Tithing in one sense is not actually giving. The tithe belongs to God, not to us. Malachi the prophet says that when we keep the tithe we are actually “robbing God”.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 155.

    “When we fail to obey God with regard to the tithe, we invite a curse into our lives…” – Phil Pringle, Keys To Financial Excellence, pg 67.

    That’s why we have the poor…..

    They’re cursed.

    Great teaching that.

    Nothing heretical there.

  5. But yeah it’s good to know Phil preaches biblically sound principles and is one of the real believers getting on with rebuilding the wall. (Well according to some here)

    Not like those who sit around splitting hairs over heresies.

  6. “This especially applies in the world of tithing. Tithing in one sense is not actually giving. The tithe belongs to God, not to us. Malachi the prophet says that when we keep the tithe we are actually “robbing God”.” – Phil Pringle, Faith, 2001, pg 155.”

    They robbed God because they did not bring in the whole tithe, in accordance with the levitical law.
    The scripture suggests that they were holding back some.
    I dare you to comment on the actual law of tithing in the O.T.
    What was it?

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